ATTENTION to all California herpers - PROPOSED LAW CHANGES!!

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Posted by Ryan Hoyer on October 28, 2001 at 21:19:39:

California is making some changes to the regulations that likely will affect you if you herp in CA. I would strongly urge each of you to go to Proposed Herp Changes and read the changes to be made. If you don't like them, the November 2nd commission meetig is the LAST CHANCE to let your voice be heard.

Synopsis of only a few of the changes:

An additional eight species of amphibians, for which sportfishing take is currently
allowed, will be exempted from sport take. Specifically, these eight amphibian species include:
Four salamander species (families Ambystomatidae, Dicamptodontidae, and Plethodontidae):
the long-toed salamander (Ambystoma macrodactylum), California giant salamander
(Dicamptodon ensatus), Dunn�s salamander (Plethodon dunni), and the Ensatina (Ensatina
eschscholtzii).

Underlined below is the change to the follwing paragraph. At least they are getting a little more reasonable in this area.

Reptiles or amphibians which have been in captivity, including wild-caught and captivelybred
individuals or offspring, shall not be released into the wild without the written approval of the
department.

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I live in AZ but I did send an e-mail to the commission, and... JDM 10/30/01 (0)
Who is gonna show to fight this BS. Cal herpers please read Fundad 10/30/01 (1)
- I REALLY think Fundad is right. Ryan Hoyer 10/30/01 (0)
Protection for slenders? Those are the most common salamanders of all! n/p Sean 10/30/01 (2)
- Most slender salamanders aren't common! Tim 10/30/01 (0)
- Most L Tim 10/30/01 (0)
I hope everyone reads the fine print here... Rick Staub 10/29/01 (10)
- Hey Rick we need you on this one... What do we need Fundad 10/30/01 (0)
- Re: I hope everyone reads the fine print here... Aaron 10/29/01 (0)
- OK this is a joke - here are some specifics Tim 10/29/01 (7)
  - Change of view Tim 10/29/01 (6)
    - Tim - do you live in a wood house? hehe Ryan Hoyer 10/30/01 (3)
      - I'm not a hypocrite (in this case) Tim 10/30/01 (2)
        
        Can't do. . . Ryan Hoyer 10/30/01 (1)
        
        I'm sorry lol Tim 10/30/01 (0)
    - Re: Change of view Richard F. Hoyer 10/30/01 (1)
      - What I meant was... Tim 10/30/01 (0)
REDiculous...... kerry 10/29/01 (0)
seems rather arbitrary Carl Brune 10/29/01 (2)
- Make your views known! Ryan Hoyer 10/29/01 (1)
  - Re: Make your views known! Richare F. Hoyer 10/30/01 (0)
A bunch of incorrect info on there Tim 10/29/01 (1)
- Re: A bunch of incorrect info on there Ryan Hoyer 10/29/01 (0)
Re: ATTENTION to all California herpers - PROPOSED LAW CHANGES!! EJ 10/28/01 (0)
Interesting Jaffo 10/28/01 (13)
- Re: Interesting James Gannon 10/28/01 (11)
  - I agree with Jaffo for once, The habitat is so vast that if you>> Fundad 10/31/01 (0)
  - How large? Jaffo 10/28/01 (9)
    - Why C.ruber will be protected Tim 10/29/01 (6)
      - Their habitat extends for hundreds of miles. Stupid law>> Fundad 10/31/01 (0)
      - I see Jaffo 10/29/01 (4)
        
        How come... Tim 10/29/01 (1)
        
        Re: How come... Aaron 10/29/01 (0)
        
        Jaffo, it's the same logic that they use to protect the San Fran garter>>> Thomas 10/29/01 (1)
        
        Re: Jaffo, it's the same logic that they use to protect the San Fran garter>>> James 10/29/01 (0)
    - Re: How large? James 10/28/01 (1)
      - Okedoke Jaffo 10/28/01 (0)
- Re: Interesting James Gannon 10/28/01 (0)
Clarification??? PatrickV 10/28/01 (1)
- I understand it to mean "not allowed". N/P Ryan Hoyer 10/29/01 (0)

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: California is making some changes to the regulations that likely will affect you if you herp in CA. I would strongly urge each of you to go to <A HREF="http://www.dfg.ca.gov/fg_comm/1-24isor.pdf">Proposed Herp Changes</A> and read the changes to be made. If you don't like them, the November 2nd commission meetig is the LAST CHANCE to let your voice be heard. : Synopsis of only a few of the changes: : : <UL>An additional eight species of amphibians, for which sportfishing take is currently : allowed, will be exempted from sport take. Specifically, these eight amphibian species include: : Four salamander species (families Ambystomatidae, Dicamptodontidae, and Plethodontidae): : the long-toed salamander (Ambystoma macrodactylum), California giant salamander : (Dicamptodon ensatus), Dunn�s salamander (Plethodon dunni), and the Ensatina (Ensatina : eschscholtzii).</UL> : <UL>Protection of the following slender salamanders: Inyo Mountains Salamander (Batrachoseps campi), : Tehachapi Slender Salamander (B. stebbinsi, CESA Threatened), : Black-bellied Slender Salamander (B. nigriventris), : Kern Canyon Slender Salamander (B. simatus, CESA Threatened), : Pacific Slender Salamander (B. pacificus), : Relictual Slender Salamander (B. relictus), : Breckenridge Mountain Salamander (B. sp. (Jennings, 1995)), : Desert Slender Salamander (B. aridus, CESA and FESA Endangered), and : San Gabriel Slender Salamander (B. gabrieli)).</UL> : <UL>An additional 11 species of : reptiles, for which sportfishing take is currently allowed, will be exempted from sport take: : Leaf-toed gecko (Phyllodactylus xanti) : Coast horned lizard (Phrynosoma coronatum) : Short-horned lizard (Phrynosoma douglassii) : Baja Californi a collared lizard (Crotaphytus vestigum) : Granite night lizard (Xantusia henshawi) : California legless lizard (Anniella pulchra) : Banded gila monster (Heloderma suspectum cinctum) : Western blind snake (Leptotyphlops humilis) : Striped racer (California whipsnake) (Masticophis lateralis) : Checkered garter snake (Thamnophis marcianus) : Red diamond rattlesnake (Crotalus ruber)</UL> : <UL>The Department is proposing to clarify that no license is required f or sport take of rattlesnakes, to implement : a daily and in possession limit f or five species of rattlesnakes, to prohibit sport take of one species of : rattlesnake that is a Species of Special Concern, and to clarif y that any number of rattlesnakes may be : killed that are a threat to humans, pets, or livestock.</UL> : <UL>The closures are listed below, along with the species they are designed to protect. Listed species are so indicated. : Western skinks (Eumeces skiltonianus) : Sport take prohibited in Riverside and San Diego : counties (To protect the Coronado skink subspecies (E. s. interparietalus)). : C Coachwhip snakes (Masticophis flagellum): Sport take prohibited except in the counties of : Imperial, Inyo, Los Angeles, Mono, Orange, Riverside, San Bernardino, San Diego, and Ventura : (To protect the San Joaquin coachwhip subspecies (M. f. ruddocki)). : C Western patch-nosed snakes (Salvadora hexalepis): Sport take prohibited in Los Angeles, : Orange, Riverside, San Diego, Santa Barbara, or Ventura counti es (To protect the coast patchnosed : snake subspecies (S. h. virgultea)). : C Gopher snakes (Pituophis melanoleucus): Sport take prohibited on Santa Cruz, Santa Rosa, or : San Miguel Island (To protect the Santa Cruz gopher snake subspecies (P. m. pumilus)). : C California mountain kingsnakes (Lampropeltis zonata): Sport take prohibited in Los Angeles, : Orange, Riverside, San Bernardino and San Diego counties (To protect the San Diego mountain : kingsnake subspecies (L. z. pulchra) and the San Bernardino mountain kingsnake subspecies (L. : z. parvirubra). : C Common garter snakes (Thamnophis sirtalis): Sport take prohibited in Los Angeles, Orange, : Riverside, San Diego, San Francisco, San Mateo, and Ventura counties (To protect the South : Coast garter snake (T. s. sp.) and San Francisco garter snake (T. s. tetrataenia) subspecies, : CESA and FESA Endangered.). : C Rubber boas (Charina bottae): Sport take prohibited in Riverside and San Bernardino counties : (To protect the southern rubber boa subspecies (C. b. umbratica), CESA Threatened).</UL> : : Underlined below is the change to the follwing paragraph. At least they are getting a little more reasonable in this area. : : <UL>Reptiles or amphibians which have been in captivity, including wild-caught and captivelybred : individuals or offspring, shall not be released into the wild without the written approval of the : department.</UL>

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