Re: Change of view

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Posted by Richard F. Hoyer on October 30, 2001 at 01:17:46:

In Reply to: Change of view posted by Tim on October 29, 2001 at 23:49:03:

: Now that I really think about it, any laws that may save our remaining northwestern forests are a blessing and we should support them all the way. If listing Plethodon dunni and Ensatina as protected may in some way stop the logging companies then I'm all for it. With Bush in power though, all these listings probably won't mean a thing against large-scale developers and mining operations. Keep your stinkin paws off our forests, you d@mn dirty businessmen!
: Tim
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Tim:
I hope you are not serious by the remarks you made above. Listing species with healthy populations in some sort of protected status in order to achieve habitat conservation is unethical, unprofessional, unscrupulous, downright dishonest and is tantamount to lying. If you condone and support that type of behavior from state employees and agencies, then we are on totally different pages when it comes to both habitat and species conservation issues.

And if by chance you are serious about your forest views, then I will simply mention that you have not taken a broad view nor thoroughly investigated the issues sourrounding our western forests and forestry practices. I might also mention that in the far west, we now have more acreage in forests than ever before. The forests may not be of the age class and structure that many of us would desire but in fact, the amphibians in the west have been rejoicing ever since fire suppression began in ernest in the early 1900's. By comparions, reparian, grassland/prairie habitats, and wetlands have taken a real beating in the west and elsewhere.

There are at least three ways to check out my assertions about more acreage in forest type habitats: 1) Go to the libary and look up early photographs of a good cross section of geographical areas currently in forest habitat with pictures taken of those areas near the turn of the century. 2) Consult with competent forest ecologists such as Dr. Norm Johnson, Oregon State University and one of the Jack Ward Thomas 'Gage of Four'. 3) But perhaps the best source is to look up research on the subject published by (or consult with) forest historians. Email me and we can duke it out in the electronic ring.

R.F. Hoyer

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: : Now that I really think about it, any laws that may save our remaining northwestern forests are a blessing and we should support them all the way. If listing Plethodon dunni and Ensatina as protected may in some way stop the logging companies then I'm all for it. With Bush in power though, all these listings probably won't mean a thing against large-scale developers and mining operations. Keep your stinkin paws off our forests, you d@mn dirty businessmen! : : Tim : ================================================== : Tim: : I hope you are not serious by the remarks you made above. Listing species with healthy populations in some sort of protected status in order to achieve habitat conservation is unethical, unprofessional, unscrupulous, downright dishonest and is tantamount to lying. If you condone and support that type of behavior from state employees and agencies, then we are on totally different pages when it comes to both habitat and species conservation issues. : And if by chance you are serious about your forest views, then I will simply mention that you have not taken a broad view nor thoroughly investigated the issues sourrounding our western forests and forestry practices. I might also mention that in the far west, we now have more acreage in forests than ever before. The forests may not be of the age class and structure that many of us would desire but in fact, the amphibians in the west have been rejoicing ever since fire suppression began in ernest in the early 1900's. By comparions, reparian, grassland/prairie habitats, and wetlands have taken a real beating in the west and elsewhere. : There are at least three ways to check out my assertions about more acreage in forest type habitats: 1) Go to the libary and look up early photographs of a good cross section of geographical areas currently in forest habitat with pictures taken of those areas near the turn of the century. 2) Consult with competent forest ecologists such as Dr. Norm Johnson, Oregon State University and one of the Jack Ward Thomas 'Gage of Four'. 3) But perhaps the best source is to look up research on the subject published by (or consult with) forest historians. Email me and we can duke it out in the electronic ring. : R.F. Hoyer

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