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Posted by David L. Martin on July 09, 2002 at 17:59:45:

In Reply to: However... posted by Byron Larkin on July 09, 2002 at 12:36:31:

Actually, the 34 lbs supposedly applied to the
7 foot 9 inch specimen, not the 8 foot 11 inch.
I think Jones may be right about Ditmars, and
you have a good point about the validity of
published records. Many tend to uncritically
accept information in print, especially if it
comes from an "authority." Unfortunately, with
the general devastation of the adamanteus species
population and the high mortality rates these
days, I would be surprised if someone produces a
wild 7+ footer in the future. My gut feeling is
that the Boswell record is accurate, but notice
that if we assume it includes the rattle, the
correct length for this animal was about 7 feet
8 inches. Of course we will probably never know
the truth of these old records. It is interesting
that the Peterson field guide uses 8 feet as the
official record for adamanteus, but only 7 feet
for atrox (actually 6 feet 11 7/8 inches). This
fact is virtually unknown amongst the big ranchers
in south Texas, many of whom seem to assume that
"everyone" knows that atrox gets well over 7 feet,
and don't consider a 7+ specimen particularly
noteworthy.

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Back to your earlier post.... Byron Larkin 07/10/02 (36)
- I disagree David L. Martin 07/11/02 (28)
  - EDB size Chris Harper 07/17/02 (0)
  - Back to you, Sir Byron Larkin 07/12/02 (26)
    - Re: Back to you, Sir David L. Martin 07/13/02 (22)
      - Apples to apples Byron Larkin 07/14/02 (21)
        
        I'm afraid you lost me, friend David L. Martin 07/15/02 (20)
        
        A Guiding Light Byron Larkin 07/16/02 (19)
        
        Now I'm really lost, friend David L. Martin 07/16/02 (18)
        
        Come now, this is not that hard Byron Larkin 07/16/02 (17)
        
        David, I think he's right steve jones 07/16/02 (16)
        
        Fair enough, Steve David L. Martin 07/17/02 (15)
        
        Am I missing something here? steve jones 07/17/02 (14)
        
        I think we're makin progress, Steve David L. Martin 07/18/02 (13)
        
        More Heat than Light Byron Larkin 07/18/02 (12)
        
        Johnny flame off David L. Martin 07/18/02 (11)
        
        Oh No! Byron larkin 07/18/02 (10)
        
        By all means David L. Martin 07/18/02 (9)
        
        I think he just did! steve jones 07/18/02 (8)
        
        Yup David L. Martin 07/18/02 (7)
        
        Not Texas but..... Rich G. 07/19/02 (1)
        
        Me like data David L. Martin 07/19/02 (0)
        
        I can tell you joe 07/18/02 (4)
        
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        hehehe buzzzz coming out of the woodwork joe 07/18/02 (2)
        
        Re: hehehe buzzzz coming out of the woodwork Buzz 07/18/02 (1)
        
        back then all I drank was coca cola, joe 07/19/02 (0)
    - Points of discussion Todd Evans 07/13/02 (2)
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      - The Importance of Critical Thinking Byron Larkin 07/13/02 (0)
- just a thought mirabelasunshine 07/11/02 (2)
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- Whow !!! steve jones 07/10/02 (3)
  - Re: Wow !!! I agree Greg Longhurst 07/12/02 (2)
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: Actually, the 34 lbs supposedly applied to the : 7 foot 9 inch specimen, not the 8 foot 11 inch. : I think Jones may be right about Ditmars, and : you have a good point about the validity of : published records. Many tend to uncritically : accept information in print, especially if it : comes from an "authority." Unfortunately, with : the general devastation of the adamanteus species : population and the high mortality rates these : days, I would be surprised if someone produces a : wild 7+ footer in the future. My gut feeling is : that the Boswell record is accurate, but notice : that if we assume it includes the rattle, the : correct length for this animal was about 7 feet : 8 inches. Of course we will probably never know : the truth of these old records. It is interesting : that the Peterson field guide uses 8 feet as the : official record for adamanteus, but only 7 feet : for atrox (actually 6 feet 11 7/8 inches). This : fact is virtually unknown amongst the big ranchers : in south Texas, many of whom seem to assume that : "everyone" knows that atrox gets well over 7 feet, : and don't consider a 7+ specimen particularly : noteworthy.

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