Re: Back to you, Sir

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Posted by David L. Martin on July 13, 2002 at 13:04:31:

In Reply to: Back to you, Sir posted by Byron Larkin on July 12, 2002 at 14:19:47:

Please forgive any appearance of a "confrontational
spin," none was intended. Perhaps my style is
too assertive given the speculative nature of the
subjects we are dealing with. I do not read any
attempt to ruffle feathers in any of your posts.
I come to these forums to learn and to teach, and
I have seen nothing in your posts that indicates
your motivations are otherwise. I see some
vehemence, that is fine.

I fear you may be reading more into my statements
than I intend. I am proposing what I consider to
be reasonable suppositions based on the evidence
I know about. I am not suggesting that my
suppositions are irrefutably established. Please
consider my propositions food for thought, not
dogma to be shoved down the throat. I bring some
of these things up precisely because I see others
jumping to conclusions and failing to consider
alternatives. Getting back to the original
question, it seems that we agree that
considerably more 7-foot atrox turn up in
S Texas than adamanteus in S Florida. The
question is why. As far as I can tell, the
explanations are limited:

1) There is a genuinely higher number of 7+ atrox
in the wild than adamanteus because:
a) Atrox in S Texas grow more rapidly than
adamanteus in S Florida, either in the average
or in the high extreme.
b) Atrox in S Texas are longer lived than
adamanteus in S Florida, leading to a greater
preponderance of large snakes.
c) The atrox population of S Texas is far
larger than the adamanteus population of S Florida,
leading to a greater preponderance of all size
classes.
2) The is no significant difference in actuality,
it is merely a sampling artifact due to that fact
that:
a) Large adamanteus are better at avoiding
people than large atrox.
b) There are fewer people in S Florida than
S Texas, therefore fewer encounters.

That is about all I can think of, perhaps it
would be most productive at this point to let
everyone suggest other possibilities and we go
from there.

Follow Ups:

Apples to apples Byron Larkin 07/14/02 (21)
- I'm afraid you lost me, friend David L. Martin 07/15/02 (20)
  - A Guiding Light Byron Larkin 07/16/02 (19)
    - Now I'm really lost, friend David L. Martin 07/16/02 (18)
      - Come now, this is not that hard Byron Larkin 07/16/02 (17)
        
        David, I think he's right steve jones 07/16/02 (16)
        
        Fair enough, Steve David L. Martin 07/17/02 (15)
        
        Am I missing something here? steve jones 07/17/02 (14)
        
        I think we're makin progress, Steve David L. Martin 07/18/02 (13)
        
        More Heat than Light Byron Larkin 07/18/02 (12)
        
        Johnny flame off David L. Martin 07/18/02 (11)
        
        Oh No! Byron larkin 07/18/02 (10)
        
        By all means David L. Martin 07/18/02 (9)
        
        I think he just did! steve jones 07/18/02 (8)
        
        Yup David L. Martin 07/18/02 (7)
        
        Not Texas but..... Rich G. 07/19/02 (1)
        
        Me like data David L. Martin 07/19/02 (0)
        
        I can tell you joe 07/18/02 (4)
        
        Re: I can tell you I hear it all the time Buzz 07/18/02 (3)
        
        hehehe buzzzz coming out of the woodwork joe 07/18/02 (2)
        
        Re: hehehe buzzzz coming out of the woodwork Buzz 07/18/02 (1)
        
        back then all I drank was coca cola, joe 07/19/02 (0)

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: Please forgive any appearance of a "confrontational : spin," none was intended. Perhaps my style is : too assertive given the speculative nature of the : subjects we are dealing with. I do not read any : attempt to ruffle feathers in any of your posts. : I come to these forums to learn and to teach, and : I have seen nothing in your posts that indicates : your motivations are otherwise. I see some : vehemence, that is fine. : I fear you may be reading more into my statements : than I intend. I am proposing what I consider to : be reasonable suppositions based on the evidence : I know about. I am not suggesting that my : suppositions are irrefutably established. Please : consider my propositions food for thought, not : dogma to be shoved down the throat. I bring some : of these things up precisely because I see others : jumping to conclusions and failing to consider : alternatives. Getting back to the original : question, it seems that we agree that : considerably more 7-foot atrox turn up in : S Texas than adamanteus in S Florida. The : question is why. As far as I can tell, the : explanations are limited: : 1) There is a genuinely higher number of 7+ atrox : in the wild than adamanteus because: : a) Atrox in S Texas grow more rapidly than : adamanteus in S Florida, either in the average : or in the high extreme. : b) Atrox in S Texas are longer lived than : adamanteus in S Florida, leading to a greater : preponderance of large snakes. : c) The atrox population of S Texas is far : larger than the adamanteus population of S Florida, : leading to a greater preponderance of all size : classes. : 2) The is no significant difference in actuality, : it is merely a sampling artifact due to that fact : that: : a) Large adamanteus are better at avoiding : people than large atrox. : b) There are fewer people in S Florida than : S Texas, therefore fewer encounters. : That is about all I can think of, perhaps it : would be most productive at this point to let : everyone suggest other possibilities and we go : from there.

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