Re: Exasperatum, or Horridum?

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Posted by HerpNut on January 18, 2002 at 03:22:42:

In Reply to: Exasperatum, or Horridum? posted by ZACK on January 17, 2002 at 20:21:18:

When are you guys going to realize that A Sub-species is not about pattern or color???

A sub-species it is not a sub-species just because it looks different. Or because it inhabits a certain locale.

Do you guys think that a herpetologist did DNA test to descrive H. s. cintum???

What is the difference between Suspectum and Cintum???

Is it the bands??? Or, is it the spots???

Please!!!

HerpNut

: You guy's can argue till the cows come home, but I see It like this. There Is a rule of thumb of what a certain sub specie of heloderma should look like whether It's suspectum, or Cintum In gila's, or the differences In the four sub specie of Beaded's. However, their are always exceptions to every rule. Their are Exasperatum's that are confirmed to be by DNA testing that would definitely favor more toward Horridum (lack of yellow pattern). In gila's I don't know If DNA testing Is an option, but I do know that you can have some from different locals that don't look to be crystal clear Cintum, but they are legit Cintum's just the same. Some might call them a poor looking Cintum. Others might go further and label It an intergrade. The best advise I could offer Is what ever sub specie of heloderma you are looking for try to acquire specimens that aren't on the fence, and are by appearance definite examples of the sub specie you are looking for. A super clean Cintum, a high yellow exasperatum, or a horridum with as little yellow as you can find. My two cents. ZACK!

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Re: Exasperatum, or Horridum? Marty 01/18/02 (27)
- Marty and all you Heloderma hobbiest... HerpNut 01/19/02 (2)
  - You often talk to yourself? Marty 01/20/02 (0)
  - Hmmmmm...... Very interesting.........lol.....n/p HerpNut 01/19/02 (0)
- Re: Exasperatum, or Horridum? ZACK! 01/18/02 (23)
  - Nut-Zack???....More... HerpNut 01/19/02 (2)
    - OK, OK.... I am not a Nut Sack..... You are not a Nut-Zack.....More... HerpNut 01/19/02 (1)
      - Re: "Herpes Crazed Nut" ZACK! 01/19/02 (0)
  - Re: Exasperatum, or Horridum? Marty 01/18/02 (19)
    - I was about to point that out...... kerry 01/18/02 (18)
      - And, you would have been right.... Marty 01/18/02 (17)
        
        Hey, one of those lizards you took a photo of on the ASU study plot...... kerry 01/18/02 (0)
        
        Re: Tic tack toe pattern. Now that's funny! more...... ZACK! 01/18/02 (15)
        
        Re: Tic tack toe pattern. Now that's funny! more...... jherps 01/19/02 (14)
        
        Jason HERPS !!!!!..... HerpNut 01/19/02 (0)
        
        To jherpies..................................... John 01/19/02 (12)
        
        Hey, don't pick on the "boy"...... kerry 01/19/02 (11)
        
        Kerry, e-mail me at HerpHobbiest@yahoo.com HerpNut 01/19/02 (10)
        
        Re: Kerry, e-mail me at HerpHobbiest@yahoo.com Jherps 01/23/02 (9)
        
        You asked for it, you got it...... kerry 01/23/02 (8)
        
        Re: You asked for it, you got it...... jherps 01/24/02 (7)
        
        Re: You asked for it, you got it...... John 01/26/02 (6)
        
        Re: You asked for it, you got it...... jherps 01/28/02 (5)
        
        I know I'm funny. I Don't need a moron to tell me. Thanks anyways. John 01/28/02 (4)
        
        6 feet down is plenty deep enough for a grave...... kerry 01/29/02 (3)
        
        Re: 6 feet down is plenty deep enough for a grave...... jherps 01/30/02 (2)
        
        Sorry?...... kerry 01/31/02 (0)
        
        Actually jherpes................. John 01/30/02 (0)

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: : When are you guys going to realize that A Sub-species is not about pattern or color??? : A sub-species it is not a sub-species just because it looks different. Or because it inhabits a certain locale. : Do you guys think that a herpetologist did DNA test to descrive H. s. cintum??? : What is the difference between Suspectum and Cintum??? : Is it the bands??? Or, is it the spots??? : Please!!! : HerpNut : : : : You guy's can argue till the cows come home, but I see It like this. There Is a rule of thumb of what a certain sub specie of heloderma should look like whether It's suspectum, or Cintum In gila's, or the differences In the four sub specie of Beaded's. However, their are always exceptions to every rule. Their are Exasperatum's that are confirmed to be by DNA testing that would definitely favor more toward Horridum (lack of yellow pattern). In gila's I don't know If DNA testing Is an option, but I do know that you can have some from different locals that don't look to be crystal clear Cintum, but they are legit Cintum's just the same. Some might call them a poor looking Cintum. Others might go further and label It an intergrade. The best advise I could offer Is what ever sub specie of heloderma you are looking for try to acquire specimens that aren't on the fence, and are by appearance definite examples of the sub specie you are looking for. A super clean Cintum, a high yellow exasperatum, or a horridum with as little yellow as you can find. My two cents. ZACK!

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