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Posted by MsTT on July 12, 2001 at 01:16:03:

In Reply to: Ooops MsTT, now you've done it. posted by Jaffo on July 11, 2001 at 21:09:25:

: NEVER bag on the religious beliefs of another, especially if there is such an expansive amount of resources available as with fundamental Christianity.

What started this was Patrick deciding that I was a Waco cult leader because I held Native spiritual beliefs about animals and kinship. I pointed out that it is not nice to scoff at other people's beliefs because they seem strange to you. Also that you will find significantly more incitements to war and violence in the Christian Bible than in the nature religions. I am not interested in criticizing Mr. Burton's personal, modern faith, but it would be foolish to deny the historical evidence. Paganfolk and Natives are not the aggressive conquerors and not the ones likely to get violent or try to take control of other people's lives.

Snakes are a better topic than religion, but I'm pretty well stocked with material and references too if a Fundie really wants to party.

: Mark my words, if this arguement continues in this vain, there will be no point in which Dale will say "It's just my opinion-- deal with it."

Well, we "primitive" peoples don't have a problem leaving others to believe what they want to believe. We just don't want them to make a mess of the air we have to breathe and the land we have to live on. Dale is one of the genuine good guys arguing for conservation, but he seems to be in the minority in his culture.

: Real or not, he's got a couple thousand years of history to back up his belief system.

We nature worshippers have got a couple of thousand more, and our history doesn't include tramping all over the globe, slaughtering and enslaving Native peoples and selling off their land.

: I hope we can learn as much about the Wiccan religion now-- but I doubt she will attempt to debate the issue any further.

You keep making these predictions based on what you think you know about me. So far your batting average isn't so good.

If you want to learn about the Wiccan religion, there's about a zillion pages on the Net, and plenty of books. For better or worse, it's a highly chaotic and decentralized faith with about as many interpretations as people. We like it that way, but it can be somewhat confusing to outsiders.

If you actually want to experience the Wiccan religion, go to some wild and beautiful place and walk for awhile in peace. The Goddess is there. Whether or not you want to seek Her is up to you. We don't mind either way, as long as you don't litter in Her cathedrals.

Regards,

MsTT

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Confused ingrate looking for a fight... Jaffo 07/12/01 (5)
- Technology is not the enemy. MsTT 07/13/01 (2)
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- Re: Confused ingrate looking for a fight... Dale Burton 07/12/01 (0)
- You have a very good nose,Jaf,All I have,or need,to say.np Diana B 07/12/01 (0)
You're wrong MsTT...Let's tell the new comer the real story... Patrick 07/12/01 (6)
- Truth on record MsTT 07/12/01 (5)
  - You keep bringing up...... Patrick 07/12/01 (3)
    - My conscience is not subject to popular vote. MsTT 07/12/01 (2)
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: : NEVER bag on the religious beliefs of another, especially if there is such an expansive amount of resources available as with fundamental Christianity. : What started this was Patrick deciding that I was a Waco cult leader because I held Native spiritual beliefs about animals and kinship. I pointed out that it is not nice to scoff at other people's beliefs because they seem strange to you. Also that you will find significantly more incitements to war and violence in the Christian Bible than in the nature religions. I am not interested in criticizing Mr. Burton's personal, modern faith, but it would be foolish to deny the historical evidence. Paganfolk and Natives are not the aggressive conquerors and not the ones likely to get violent or try to take control of other people's lives. : Snakes are a better topic than religion, but I'm pretty well stocked with material and references too if a Fundie really wants to party. : : : Mark my words, if this arguement continues in this vain, there will be no point in which Dale will say "It's just my opinion-- deal with it." : Well, we "primitive" peoples don't have a problem leaving others to believe what they want to believe. We just don't want them to make a mess of the air we have to breathe and the land we have to live on. Dale is one of the genuine good guys arguing for conservation, but he seems to be in the minority in his culture. : : : Real or not, he's got a couple thousand years of history to back up his belief system. : We nature worshippers have got a couple of thousand more, and our history doesn't include tramping all over the globe, slaughtering and enslaving Native peoples and selling off their land. : : : I hope we can learn as much about the Wiccan religion now-- but I doubt she will attempt to debate the issue any further. : You keep making these predictions based on what you think you know about me. So far your batting average isn't so good. : If you want to learn about the Wiccan religion, there's about a zillion pages on the Net, and plenty of books. For better or worse, it's a highly chaotic and decentralized faith with about as many interpretations as people. We like it that way, but it can be somewhat confusing to outsiders. : If you actually want to experience the Wiccan religion, go to some wild and beautiful place and walk for awhile in peace. The Goddess is there. Whether or not you want to seek Her is up to you. We don't mind either way, as long as you don't litter in Her cathedrals. : Regards, : MsTT

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