Re: Sorry gotta disagree

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Posted by A. C. Highfield on July 01, 2000 at 01:17:42:

In Reply to: Sorry gotta disagree posted by Tom on June 30, 2000 at 17:41:18:

: If a child has a bone disorder... say club foot...
: (only thing I can think of right now) is it
: unhealthy? other than the bone not really.>>

The exact analogy is rickets or osteomalacia - and yes, if a child had this they certainly would qualify as sick.

Does it
: make him more likely to get sick. no.>>

But shell deformities do...... such animals typically have a host of other problems directly resulting from the same cause that resulted in the visible deformity.

It's possible to have pyramiding w/o
: protein in the diet. What if protein is the negative
: factor causing kidney problems.>>

It usually is..... however, as stated, for there to be visible exterior carapace deformity the animal *has* been subjected to very serious dietary mismanagement. After working with such animals for the best part of 20 years, and carrying out hundreds of long-term follow-ups (and autopsies) I am in no doubt whatsoever that any animal displaying such symptoms has a greatly reduced life expectancy. Simple as that.

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: : If a child has a bone disorder... say club foot... : : (only thing I can think of right now) is it : : unhealthy? other than the bone not really.>> : The exact analogy is rickets or osteomalacia - and yes, if a child had this they certainly would qualify as sick. : Does it : : make him more likely to get sick. no.>> : But shell deformities do...... such animals typically have a host of other problems directly resulting from the same cause that resulted in the visible deformity. : It's possible to have pyramiding w/o : : protein in the diet. What if protein is the negative : : factor causing kidney problems.>> : It usually is..... however, as stated, for there to be visible exterior carapace deformity the animal *has* been subjected to very serious dietary mismanagement. After working with such animals for the best part of 20 years, and carrying out hundreds of long-term follow-ups (and autopsies) I am in no doubt whatsoever that any animal displaying such symptoms has a greatly reduced life expectancy. Simple as that.

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