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Posted by K.E. on September 19, 2002 at 13:21:41:
In Reply to: K.E., I for one see no reason to doubt your veracity... posted by Gerry Binczik on September 19, 2002 at 12:46:56:
:... concerning your rat snakes. If you say you found them in such-and-such a place, that's certainly good enough for me. Of course, that doesn't mean that someone else couldn't have first released them (or their ancestors) in the area where you found them, which I think is some folks' point. Regardless, I'm just happy to sit on the sidelines and watch the debate. But...
:> ... I also have seen data manipulated by those who test DNA. Often I have seen people who are trying to define a new subspecies approach those doing the testing. The tester will often find that the results are not congruent with what the researcher wants. They will ask if the populations are threatened and smudge the findings from there. I have seen this more than once...
:... this I WILL take issue with. I know that you have cause to have become defensive in response to what some here have said, and people understandably don't always remain reasonable when they're defensive, but I don't see how anything that has been said here can possibly justify you casting baseless aspersions on others who aren't privy to or even really relevant to the discussion. If your statements above are NOT baseless, please present sufficient detail and evidence (no need to name names, though, excepting your own) to back up your quite serious accusation of widespread scientific misconduct.
:Some scientists are better or worse at their jobs than others, to be sure, just as with people in any other profession. But in my experience such blatantly unethical behavior as you describe is fortunately rare in ANY profession, certainly including the sciences. For you to suggest otherwise does no one any good, but makes YOU especially look bad. (At least, that's what it did for me as an interested bystander to the discussion.) The scientific profession has few enough rewards and gets enough undeserved bad press that it certainly doesn't need you mongering still more malicious rumors about it.
:Gerry
:gbin@zoo.ufl.edu
Gerry,
I will not give names, but I have indeed witnessed what I said the exact way that I said it. I agree that it makes us all look bad, and that is why I don't present information that I know to be incorrect, like the info on these ratsnakes. I noticed your e-mail address has ufl in it. I am guessing that means you are from Florida. That is the place where I witnessed one of the events that I speak of. I will say no more about it what-so-ever. If this is not enough evidence for you, I understand. I am just trying to share these awesome snakes with those who would appreciate them. My integrity is being questioned and so I have related what I have seen with my own eyes. I am sorry if this makes us all look bad, and I will not provide names or places because that will cause more damage and that is not my intent. My intent is to have fun and share what I have with others. Sorry.
