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Posted by xta on May 15, 2001 at 19:05:51:

In Reply to: Re: the OTHER side .... (LONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) posted by iZ's mom on May 15, 2001 at 13:25:23:

: at heart, i totally AGREE!
: the morality of giving an animal wounds, in order to LEARN how to heal, IS a really tough part ... and YES, i have problems with that as well ... but let me point out ~
: these animals ARE NOT TORTURED!
: these animals ARE anesthetized BEFORE + DURING ANY and ALL procedures!
: they ARE given pain control!
: they ARE well cared for before, during + after!

Well I am happy to hear their pain is managed..and do not deny that more humane practices have developed throughout the years. Perhaps I could be swayed on some counts but overall in my heart I feel it is wrong in many cases. I don't see much wrong with euthanizing an animal...all suffering ends there....it's causing the suffering that I have the problem with.

: you keep coming back to testing cosmetics, etc. on animals ~ and in that, i wholeheartedly agree that it is NOT necessary! and you HAVE to realize, it is the RARE cases that make good news copy ~ the abuses of power that grab people's attention ~ and it SHOULD! but don't judge the entire thing by a FEW abusive people ...

This is true, and thankfully there are several cosmetic companies that no longer test on animals.

:yrs and more ... maybe we're playing God by trying to heal ourselves ... maybe ... but God DID create us in his/her image ... and maybe ... maybe ...............

Healing is a good thing. Let's face it...we are overall fairly destructive and greedy as a species. In the end, we will be responsible for our own demise. (depletion of all resources/war/overpopulation etc) The earth knows how to take care of herself-- she will just rid herself of us and have all the time she needs to slowly repair.

: you say you have done extensive research regarding lab animals + testing ...
: but have you ever WORKED taking care of lab animals??? if not, i don't think you can clearly see the OTHER side of this ...

You are right... I have not and could not. I feel sorry for the people that do this (assuming they have some regret).

: and they ARE trying to find better, more humane, more ethically + morally acceptable alternatives ... but right now, the animals have given us more than we can EVER hope to repay ... and there IS a very special place in Heaven for them all ...

AMEN.... I sure hope so. I certainly want to see all my old friends again.

: and HOW did we ever get so off the topic of igs anyway???? *grin*

eeeeeeeee...I can't believe I let myself get involved in this radical discussion! (every once in awhile my extremist views come out!) Anyone up for a talk on politics, death penalty, religion??? Well it probably wouldn't be too hard to figure out that I'm not a Republican. I do believe in the death penalty and GOD. Anyone want to crucify me now? LOL

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: : at heart, i totally AGREE! : : the morality of giving an animal wounds, in order to LEARN how to heal, IS a really tough part ... and YES, i have problems with that as well ... but let me point out ~ : : <b><i>these animals ARE NOT TORTURED! </b></i> : : these animals ARE anesthetized BEFORE + DURING ANY and ALL procedures! : : they ARE given pain control! : : they ARE well cared for before, during + after! : Well I am happy to hear their pain is managed..and do not deny that more humane practices have developed throughout the years. Perhaps I could be swayed on some counts but overall in my heart I feel it is wrong in many cases. I don't see much wrong with euthanizing an animal...all suffering ends there....it's causing the suffering that I have the problem with. : : : you keep coming back to testing cosmetics, etc. on animals ~ and in that, i wholeheartedly agree that it is NOT necessary! and you HAVE to realize, it is the RARE cases that make good news copy ~ the abuses of power that grab people's attention ~ and it SHOULD! but don't judge the entire thing by a FEW abusive people ... : This is true, and thankfully there are several cosmetic companies that no longer test on animals. : :yrs and more ... maybe we're playing God by trying to heal ourselves ... maybe ... but God DID create us in his/her image ... and maybe ... maybe ............... : Healing is a good thing. Let's face it...we are overall fairly destructive and greedy as a species. In the end, we will be responsible for our own demise. (depletion of all resources/war/overpopulation etc) The earth knows how to take care of herself-- she will just rid herself of us and have all the time she needs to slowly repair. : : : you say you have done extensive research regarding lab animals + testing ... : : but have you ever WORKED taking care of lab animals??? if not, i don't think you can clearly see the OTHER side of this ... : You are right... I have not and could not. I feel sorry for the people that do this (assuming they have some regret). : : and they ARE trying to find better, more humane, more ethically + morally acceptable alternatives ... but right now, the animals have given us more than we can EVER hope to repay ... and there IS a very special place in Heaven for them all ... : AMEN.... I sure hope so. I certainly want to see all my old friends again. : : : and HOW did we ever get so off the topic of igs anyway???? *grin* : eeeeeeeee...I can't believe I let myself get involved in this radical discussion! (every once in awhile my extremist views come out!) Anyone up for a talk on politics, death penalty, religion??? Well it probably wouldn't be too hard to figure out that I'm not a Republican. I do believe in the death penalty and GOD. Anyone want to crucify me now? LOL

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