Re: Exasperatum, or Horridum?

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Posted by ZACK! on January 18, 2002 at 13:40:57:

In Reply to: Re: Exasperatum, or Horridum? posted by Marty on January 18, 2002 at 12:52:58:

: "When are you guys going to realize that A Sub-species is not about pattern or color???"

: Except, that in many cases subspecies were and have been described based soley in those characters. You have to look no further than H.s.suspectum and H.s.cinctum for an example.

: "A sub-species it is not a sub-species just because it looks different. Or because it inhabits a certain locale."

: True, because subspecies will not follow the characters used to descibe it 100% of the time. Part of what makes then subspecies and not species.

: "Do you guys think that a herpetologist did DNA test to descrive H. s. cintum???"

: No, cause if he did, the distrubution of H.s.cinctum would likely be very diffrent.

: "What is the difference between Suspectum and Cintum???

: "Is it the bands??? Or, is it the spots???"

: Or an artificially contrived convienence.

: "Please!!!"

: Yes, please don't make it sound as if subspecies are cut and dry. If subspecies were so apparent, would there be as much taxonomic revision as there is?

Marty, and nut sack,
you guys missed my point. My point Is that sometimes It isn't easy to always tell what sub specie you are looking at, and It isn't always as you put It Marty "cut N dry," but If you are worried that your animal might be on the fence (looking like It could be confused with two different sub specie) than acquire animals that leave nothing to speculation. You can't tell me that having a Cintum like some of the animals on the cover of Dr Seward's book could actually be miss labeled and really are Suspetum. Give ME a break. ZACK!

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Nut-Zack???....More... HerpNut 01/19/02 (2)
- OK, OK.... I am not a Nut Sack..... You are not a Nut-Zack.....More... HerpNut 01/19/02 (1)
  - Re: "Herpes Crazed Nut" ZACK! 01/19/02 (0)
Re: Exasperatum, or Horridum? Marty 01/18/02 (19)
- I was about to point that out...... kerry 01/18/02 (18)
  - And, you would have been right.... Marty 01/18/02 (17)
    - Hey, one of those lizards you took a photo of on the ASU study plot...... kerry 01/18/02 (0)
    - Re: Tic tack toe pattern. Now that's funny! more...... ZACK! 01/18/02 (15)
      - Re: Tic tack toe pattern. Now that's funny! more...... jherps 01/19/02 (14)
        
        Jason HERPS !!!!!..... HerpNut 01/19/02 (0)
        
        To jherpies..................................... John 01/19/02 (12)
        
        Hey, don't pick on the "boy"...... kerry 01/19/02 (11)
        
        Kerry, e-mail me at HerpHobbiest@yahoo.com HerpNut 01/19/02 (10)
        
        Re: Kerry, e-mail me at HerpHobbiest@yahoo.com Jherps 01/23/02 (9)
        
        You asked for it, you got it...... kerry 01/23/02 (8)
        
        Re: You asked for it, you got it...... jherps 01/24/02 (7)
        
        Re: You asked for it, you got it...... John 01/26/02 (6)
        
        Re: You asked for it, you got it...... jherps 01/28/02 (5)
        
        I know I'm funny. I Don't need a moron to tell me. Thanks anyways. John 01/28/02 (4)
        
        6 feet down is plenty deep enough for a grave...... kerry 01/29/02 (3)
        
        Re: 6 feet down is plenty deep enough for a grave...... jherps 01/30/02 (2)
        
        Sorry?...... kerry 01/31/02 (0)
        
        Actually jherpes................. John 01/30/02 (0)

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: : "When are you guys going to realize that A Sub-species is not about pattern or color???" : : Except, that in many cases subspecies were and have been described based soley in those characters. You have to look no further than H.s.suspectum and H.s.cinctum for an example. : : "A sub-species it is not a sub-species just because it looks different. Or because it inhabits a certain locale." : : True, because subspecies will not follow the characters used to descibe it 100% of the time. Part of what makes then subspecies and not species. : : "Do you guys think that a herpetologist did DNA test to descrive H. s. cintum???" : : No, cause if he did, the distrubution of H.s.cinctum would likely be very diffrent. : : "What is the difference between Suspectum and Cintum??? : : "Is it the bands??? Or, is it the spots???" : : Or an artificially contrived convienence. : : "Please!!!" : : Yes, please don't make it sound as if subspecies are cut and dry. If subspecies were so apparent, would there be as much taxonomic revision as there is? : Marty, and nut sack, : you guys missed my point. My point Is that sometimes It isn't easy to always tell what sub specie you are looking at, and It isn't always as you put It Marty "cut N dry," but If you are worried that your animal might be on the fence (looking like It could be confused with two different sub specie) than acquire animals that leave nothing to speculation. You can't tell me that having a Cintum like some of the animals on the cover of Dr Seward's book could actually be miss labeled and really are Suspetum. Give ME a break. ZACK!

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