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Posted by froggystyle34 on May 06, 2003 at 06:11:19:
In Reply to: almost forgot..... posted by KJUN on May 05, 2003 at 22:42:03:
worng a hybrid is two different species, ie. corn snake and king snake breeding. and yes in certain parts of the country there is a corn rat mix, i have found many of creamsicle corns in my day around northeast texas and noethwest louisianna. so yes the corn snake and yellow rat snake do cross naturally in the wild. and the breeding of two subspecies ie corn ans rat is an intergrade because they both fall under the elaphe. what you said is like saying an eastern and cal king is a hybrid and it is not, please correct me if i am wron but all my reading says this.
froggy
:This means that a cross between them would be a hybrid by all of our definitions! However, an intergrade typically means a NATURAL subspecific cross. Hybrid is used for a man-made (e.g., "unnatural") subspecific cross even if it is one that does happen in the wild. Soooo, even if emoryi were Elaphe guttata emoryi (which they haven't been for YEARS), that would make the creamsicle a hybrid by at least one VERY common definition...and the one I personally favor. :)
:KJ
