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Lets not lose sight of what Nathan said


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Posted by Jesse S. on April 16, 2003 at 14:24:18:

In Reply to: (more philosophy)reproduction is not happiness? posted by MiserMike on April 16, 2003 at 14:13:41:

He did not belittle your set up. After reading what he said and re-reading it he simply is saying he has noticed a difference, be it extreme, in turtles behavior when housed outside compared to indoors. I have noticed this as well, and particularly w/ my spotteds. Turtles, like humans, are simply animals that have innate responses to environmental changes and adaptations. There is something to be said for trying to re-create as best one could a natural environment. And for this, there are biological responses in the animal. I just wish more people could house their turtles w/ such care that Nathan does.

-Jesse


:I agreed with you last time, so I'll throw in a contrary position, just for the sake of fairness. (I'm an equal-opportunity pest.) Successful reproduction does not mean animals are "happy." Many organisms respond to stress with increased reproduction. Mama Nature says, "In times of trouble, have lots of kids, in the hope that some may survive." Papa Freud says,".." [Let's not go there. Catharsis of libido release, pffft.]When I kept bees, I got better honey production in drought years, because plants put their last moisture into nectar, to ensure pollination and seed for a new generation. The chickens that ran loose on our farm laid far fewer eggs then the factory-farm hens in their tiny cages. Human birthrates are highest in times and places of stress; look at world census figures, or just casual observation.

:I think that if you can provide an animal with the necessary conditions to grow to an adult and reproduce offspring consistently then you're in the right ballpark.





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