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Posted by Steve on November 11, 1998 at 16:30:26:
In Reply to: Re: What Did This Guy In N.J. Know ? posted by Dave Beamer on November 11, 1998 at 10:13:35:
: The only time I ever collected and removed from a population an endangered herp was when i was just a hobbyiest. It was a common thing for hobbyiest to do and I was encouraged to just keep an eye out for CO's. I regret collecting those animals to this day especially since one population is probably extinct now and I can't help but feel my removal of one individual sped that process. Back in the day me and my buddies (you know the good guys people who would never just collect everything to sell but maybe just poach an animal here and there so they could breed it back home) would go on collecting trips to state parks and national parks ect. As soon as I had matured enough to realize that those activities were wrong I discontinued them but maybe it was all bad as I got an inside look at the mentality of a lot of the good guy herpers that Ric and you have talked about. I have captured many endangered herps and marked and released them as part of my work on population dynamics but this can hardly be considered collecting. So called contribution? What would you prefer to call the bog turtle population work, pine snake hibernacula creation ect. That just sounds terrible about the Pine snakes. It probably would have been a lot better to give localities to collectors so they could try to catch individuals of this endangered species so that they could try to perpetuate a mutation. Why should it not have been kept quiet? Please direct me to some of the publications that list John's contributions in them.
: Dave Beamer
Dave, your ignorance outweigh's your tunnel vision mind. First of all. Reguarding the albino pine snakes. Collectors had it easy. The state went out, collected them, and put them on the market themselves. I guess the state boys wanted to perpetuate them all by themselves. And said that a guy in Staten Island came up with them. And if you ask any of your buddies about the guy that HAS the bog turtles. They will most definately tell you he is VERY knowledgable about them. And as far as John's contributions. He has acknowledgments in one of the issues of the Vivarium ( by Thurgess Cranston ), Reptiles Magazine ( July 1996 By Gerold and Cindy Merker ), A Field Guide To TEXAS SNAKES ( by Alan Tennant ) etc. Also, if your talking about endangered pine snakes. Your obviousely not talking about N.J. populations because they are on the threatened list there. Not the endangered list. Also, in reguards to the hibernaculum. It doesen't take a scientist or biologist to dig a hole, fill it with concrete blocks, pvc pipes etc., and fill it in.
Steve
