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Posted by promist on November 14, 2002 at 17:41:07:
In Reply to: Sounds like you overdosed them!..... posted by chrish on November 14, 2002 at 09:25:44:
:I have never had that problem with Black Knight although I have only used it once (it completely eradicated the problem forever). I did use it in the cage of a neonate Mexican Hognose and some neonate House Snakes with no problem, but I only gave a quick puff into their containers and not onto the snakes. You don't have to spray much of it and you really don't have to get it directly on the snakes themselves.
You might want to check out this link,
http://pub28.ezboard.com/fchondroforumfrm1.showMessage?topicID=3015.topic
if you think this product is "safe" and without risk.
Black Knight Roach Killer has never been approved by the EPA for use on reptiles, or
any other animal for that matter (in bold on the label, "Do not spray animals"). The label also carries the following warnings," Harmful if swallowed or absorbed through the skin. Avoid breathing vapors. Avoid contact with skin and eyes...". The manufacture of Black Knight Roach Killer has never disclosed any clinical studies to confirm it will not cause acute or chronic health risks, even when used as "directed" (despite the fact there are no approved directions for use on or with reptiles) and also contains chemicals that destroy the ozone layer (aren't we supposed to be even more environmentally conscious than other people?).
The active is photo unstable, so it breaks down quickly in the presence of light only lasting a very short time so any claim stating it can be used preventatively are completely unfounded.
Since Black Knight has never been submitted to the EPA for approval to use on reptiles and no clinical or scientific studies have ever been submitted to EPA for review and approval, NO one can sell it for use with reptiles or make any claim as to effectiveness or safety (it is unlawful under Title 40 CFR 156.10 to use any form of the word "safe" with an insecticide). Under section 12(a)(1)(E) of FIFRA (7 U.S.C. 136j(a)(1)(E), it is unlawful to distribute or sell to any person any misbranded pesticide. It is further unlawful to distribute or sell to any person any registered pesticide if any claims made for it as part of its distribution or sale substantially differ from any claims made for it as part of the statement required under section 136a [7 U.S.C. 136a].
Without going through the scientific studies required for Federal approval, no one knows if a product can potentially harm the host or environment. Remember all of the claims made (and still made) regarding Pest strips. Despite any individual argument, it is clear they do pose a significant health risk to reptiles. This was determined only after years of use with "our" animals being used as guinea pigs and has been confirmed by some of the leading vets in our industry. Another major concern is the development of resistance to the product, recently more and more people are stating that Black Knight Roach Killer isn't working for them anymore. Could this be due to resistance? If we start to create a strain of chemically resistant mites, the future could look pretty bleak for everyone with potentially disease carrying mites and ticks rampaging unchecked through our collections.
Using Black Knight Roach Killer has resulted in the death of reptiles and has been shown to cause among other potential health risks, neurological problems & chemical burns to the skin of a treated reptile. As people start to use Black Knight Roach Killer more, the problems associated with its use are becoming more evident. It is also interesting that one of the most staunch supporters of this product have been battling mites for some time in their own facility. If Black Knight Roach Killer is as good as they claim, then why are they having problems?
Bob Pound
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