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Posted by Ecarinata on January 24, 2003 at 11:19:29:
In Reply to: Re: Also.. posted by Alan Garry on January 23, 2003 at 19:19:43:
: No, I have all North American stuff. I'm selectively breeding black rats for maximum black pigment ( ventrals included ). I also have some glades, and corns. I keep some northern pines as well. My curiousity on the carinata ( I've only ever handled one), and some others ie; prasina, manderins, radiata and others, is how closely you feel they are related to other elaphe.
:Especially carinata since they have a more diverse diet than other elaphe. Most of us remember pretty well that bogertophis, and senticolis were once considered elaphe. I'm no biologist, but have been curiouse if any of the eastern forms are destined to be put in their own genus. Your own opinion, or any studies you no of that may be under way. Thanks in advance. Alan,
Sweet! I'm partial to black snakes. I have 2.1 black pines, 2.3 black milks, 1.1 mexican black kings and 1.1 Indigos. I too have a nice trio of Northern pines.
FWIW I believe the prasina and radiata are closely related to the beauties, and redtails. I also believe the janseni, black janseni, silver redtails are all redtails just color morphs from different parts of the range.
I also feel the old world elaphe are not closly related to the new world Elaphe. Otherwise Im sure our buddies over in the Hybrid forum would be producing black rat x blue beauties (black and blue beauties???), Everglades rats x mandarin rats (Mandarin oranges???) by now.
As for the E.carinata. I don't know what it is, but I sure know what it isn't! It's not an Elaphe/ratsnake. It's eyes, scales, personality, intelligence( sorry guys they are WAY smarter than any ratsnake old or new world that I have ever seen) and appetite for other snakes tell me it's something else entirely.
Feedback is Welcome.
Mike
