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Posted by snakeguy88 on November 12, 2002 at 22:54:11:
In Reply to: Florida Bandeds mildy venomous? posted by Kris Diekema on November 12, 2002 at 22:42:49:
If you want to get right down to it, just about all north american colubrids have some toxic "venom" or agent in the saliva. Venom is afterall just altered saliva. And fangs are just modified teeth. Garters and ribbons can actually be considered rearfanged, I have the pics to prove it. This is a debateable issue though. Waters do have something in the saliva that seems to prevent the blood from clotting almost, which is why their bites seem to bleed so much as compared to other snakes. They, as closely related to Thamnophis as they are, probably carry some agent in the saliva, although actually considering ANY Nerodia venomous is pretty farfetched. Heres a pic of my hand after letting a Thamnophis chew (I was looking for a small snake, preferably Thamnophis, to obtain a bite picture of. My luck, I found a perfect one which I allowed to chew into the skin for 15 seconds until it let go on its own. I did experience minor swelling and itching, but these subsided in about 5-10 minutes)
Andy
