Re: IF you were smart

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Posted by Crystal on March 09, 2002 at 13:07:54:

In Reply to: IF you were smart posted by Christy on March 09, 2002 at 12:56:50:

Yes, I have gone through all of this....I have most all supplies ready, getting more soon.I also have taken out the fee for surrendering the animals if anyone cared to look would have noticed it and quit bringing it up in this forum.
And, yes, I am smart, I have people helping me with my adoptions, family members are going to help with financial and other things. I didnt just "dive" into this, I have been planning for quit awhile now. How is anyone going to say that when they dont know my situation here? Ive got everything worked out, and those things that arent, will be done in the next week or two.
So please....drop it for now! I AM prepared, I HAVE taken in animals before and know what it takes! People were quick to judge me thinking I havent done this before....I may not have done ALOT of it, but i have done it before.
Crystal

: You would take Ig chick/Mr. D's help with a huge thank you. They are a rescue orginzation a wonderfully ran and loving one. You post RIGHT on your site that you adopting an animal must be aware the iguana will need IMMEDIATE medical care. Its not ASKING what to do if that happens you state it as fact. Now i know one thing iguanas are hard to place let alone ones needing IMMEDIATE medical care. Your NOT going to get anyone in there right mind going to pay you for an iguana that is going to cost them 2 to 3 hundered dollars the moment it comes tot ehre care in vet costs. What type of enclosures do you have ready? How many UVB bulbs do you have on hand? Do YOU own or rent?? Is your landlord prepared to let you have MULTIPLE iguanas in your care for up to years at a time? Do you have an established vet ready to help with the sever abuse/neglect/dying iguanas that are gong to be dumped on your door? Tell US how much you are prepared and id be more than willing to help if you are truly ready. PLEASE dont jump into this if your not. I personally WOULD LOVE to open my house (in the building process) to unwanted nad needed iguana but I know Finacially, space, and time wise I can not do that so I help other ways.

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: : Ok, im going to admit...i am not perfect, nor is anyone else...I am willing to accept help to put together this organization. But telling me that I am wrong is not the right way to go about it. I am excepting HELP, and if i choose to turn it down, thats my choice. I am not going to do ANYTHING that will put any animal in jeopardy. I will pay vet costs, food, housing, and give them all the TLC I can. Not many people are willing to step forward to offer their free time, and their homes and services to unwanted animals, so it is out of love for the animals that i am doing this. If you have a comment or can help me out with my SITE, I am willing to listen. Other than that, I am not dumbfounded to what I am doing, everything will be in order soon enough.
: : I appreciate all those that are trying to help:)
: : Thanx
: : Crystal

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: : : Please forgive the format I am going to use, there is a lot of information I want to cover in my reply post.

: : : 1.) It is not appropriate for a rescue to adopt out animals in need of immediate medical care. If an animal needs immediate medical care then the rescue should be getting it for the animal, not waiting for someone to come along who is going to do that. In our state (NH), whomever has care and & custody of an animal needing medical care is LEGALLY responsible to get it that medical attention or face criminal cruelty charges. If an animal has ongoing medical issues that is one thing (and in those cases our rescue only adopts out to well qualified individuals) but to have an animal you know needs medical care and to sit and wait for someone to come along to adopt it is wrong. It may sound harsh BUT if you can't afford to pay for the medical care as a rescue then you should not be taking in animals.

: : : 2.) I've seen quite a few comments on the application. We use an extensive application for the purposes of screening out the people who should not own a reptile. Even mammal shelters have an in depth application and most (but not all) mammal shelters conduct home visits. Sitting on the other side you may not see the point in this and you may even find having to fill out a long application a pain HOWEVER from a rescue stand point I can tell you first hand that a comprehensive application has weeded out more than one person who shouldn't own a reptile, let alone a mammal.

: : : 3.) Fees -Why should people get something of value for nothing? A.) On the adoptions side of things, even if the person went to the pet store to purchase an animal they would have to pay for it. $25.00 is NOTHING in the grand scheme things for the rescue and not a huge price to pay on the part of the adoptor. B.) When it comes to surrender I like how Jiff worded it -the rescue is providing a service just like a plumber, electrian or mechanic and should be paid for that service. The rescue has to pay for medical care, food, lights, fixtures, electricity, home heating fuel and in many cases a proper enclosure.

: : : 4.) There is a big difference between a person willing to surrender their animal and someone who needs to have that animal taken away due to abuse/neglect. I have yet to encounter a person that is willingly surrendering an animal who balks at the fees we charge (and ours are much higher than the ones listed here)because they know their animal is going to be getting top notch care. Someone who needs to have than animal removed is most likely NOT going to call a rescue to willingly surrender their animal in the first place and should they, if they don't like the fees, they are free to call another rescue.

: : : Crystal, I think I emailed you before about being prepared for "rescue". I wasn't trying to be harsh when I did, I was trying to save you some headache based on experiences we have already had. Ask Jiff, she knows me and knows the headaches we have encountered since taking our rescue official. Before we even let it be known that we exsisted, we had a year of planning under our belts and even that wasn't enough to fully prepare for the task of running a real rescue. It's more than putting up a website and charging fees, there are so many more issues to consider, the most important being where the money to care for these animals is going to come from. Mr. D and I have spent thousands of our own cash on vet care, housing, food and lighting for rescue igs.

: : : If you can't afford to properly care for a multitude of rescue animals then my suggestion is that you call your local mammal shelter and offer your services when a reptile comes in. Become a foster home for an already established shelter, as a foster home you will need to take the animal in and provide its daily care but the established rescue will be responsible for paying for its medical care.

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: Yes, I have gone through all of this....I have most all supplies ready, getting more soon.I also have taken out the fee for surrendering the animals if anyone cared to look would have noticed it and quit bringing it up in this forum. : And, yes, I am smart, I have people helping me with my adoptions, family members are going to help with financial and other things. I didnt just "dive" into this, I have been planning for quit awhile now. How is anyone going to say that when they dont know my situation here? Ive got everything worked out, and those things that arent, will be done in the next week or two. : So please....drop it for now! I AM prepared, I HAVE taken in animals before and know what it takes! People were quick to judge me thinking I havent done this before....I may not have done ALOT of it, but i have done it before. : Crystal : : : You would take Ig chick/Mr. D's help with a huge thank you. They are a rescue orginzation a wonderfully ran and loving one. You post RIGHT on your site that you adopting an animal must be aware the iguana will need IMMEDIATE medical care. Its not ASKING what to do if that happens you state it as fact. Now i know one thing iguanas are hard to place let alone ones needing IMMEDIATE medical care. Your NOT going to get anyone in there right mind going to pay you for an iguana that is going to cost them 2 to 3 hundered dollars the moment it comes tot ehre care in vet costs. What type of enclosures do you have ready? How many UVB bulbs do you have on hand? Do YOU own or rent?? Is your landlord prepared to let you have MULTIPLE iguanas in your care for up to years at a time? Do you have an established vet ready to help with the sever abuse/neglect/dying iguanas that are gong to be dumped on your door? Tell US how much you are prepared and id be more than willing to help if you are truly ready. PLEASE dont jump into this if your not. I personally WOULD LOVE to open my house (in the building process) to unwanted nad needed iguana but I know Finacially, space, and time wise I can not do that so I help other ways. : : : : : Ok, im going to admit...i am not perfect, nor is anyone else...I am willing to accept help to put together this organization. But telling me that I am wrong is not the right way to go about it. I am excepting HELP, and if i choose to turn it down, thats my choice. I am not going to do ANYTHING that will put any animal in jeopardy. I will pay vet costs, food, housing, and give them all the TLC I can. Not many people are willing to step forward to offer their free time, and their homes and services to unwanted animals, so it is out of love for the animals that i am doing this. If you have a comment or can help me out with my SITE, I am willing to listen. Other than that, I am not dumbfounded to what I am doing, everything will be in order soon enough. : : : I appreciate all those that are trying to help:) : : : Thanx : : : Crystal : : : : : : : : Please forgive the format I am going to use, there is a lot of information I want to cover in my reply post. : : : : 1.) It is not appropriate for a rescue to adopt out animals in need of immediate medical care. If an animal needs immediate medical care then the rescue should be getting it for the animal, not waiting for someone to come along who is going to do that. In our state (NH), whomever has care and & custody of an animal needing medical care is LEGALLY responsible to get it that medical attention or face criminal cruelty charges. If an animal has ongoing medical issues that is one thing (and in those cases our rescue only adopts out to well qualified individuals) but to have an animal you know needs medical care and to sit and wait for someone to come along to adopt it is wrong. It may sound harsh BUT if you can't afford to pay for the medical care as a rescue then you should not be taking in animals. : : : : 2.) I've seen quite a few comments on the application. We use an extensive application for the purposes of screening out the people who should not own a reptile. Even mammal shelters have an in depth application and most (but not all) mammal shelters conduct home visits. Sitting on the other side you may not see the point in this and you may even find having to fill out a long application a pain HOWEVER from a rescue stand point I can tell you first hand that a comprehensive application has weeded out more than one person who shouldn't own a reptile, let alone a mammal. : : : : 3.) Fees -Why should people get something of value for nothing? A.) On the adoptions side of things, even if the person went to the pet store to purchase an animal they would have to pay for it. $25.00 is NOTHING in the grand scheme things for the rescue and not a huge price to pay on the part of the adoptor. B.) When it comes to surrender I like how Jiff worded it -the rescue is providing a service just like a plumber, electrian or mechanic and should be paid for that service. The rescue has to pay for medical care, food, lights, fixtures, electricity, home heating fuel and in many cases a proper enclosure. : : : : 4.) There is a big difference between a person willing to surrender their animal and someone who needs to have that animal taken away due to abuse/neglect. I have yet to encounter a person that is willingly surrendering an animal who balks at the fees we charge (and ours are much higher than the ones listed here)because they know their animal is going to be getting top notch care. Someone who needs to have than animal removed is most likely NOT going to call a rescue to willingly surrender their animal in the first place and should they, if they don't like the fees, they are free to call another rescue. : : : : Crystal, I think I emailed you before about being prepared for "rescue". I wasn't trying to be harsh when I did, I was trying to save you some headache based on experiences we have already had. Ask Jiff, she knows me and knows the headaches we have encountered since taking our rescue official. Before we even let it be known that we exsisted, we had a year of planning under our belts and even that wasn't enough to fully prepare for the task of running a real rescue. It's more than putting up a website and charging fees, there are so many more issues to consider, the most important being where the money to care for these animals is going to come from. Mr. D and I have spent thousands of our own cash on vet care, housing, food and lighting for rescue igs. : : : : If you can't afford to properly care for a multitude of rescue animals then my suggestion is that you call your local mammal shelter and offer your services when a reptile comes in. Become a foster home for an already established shelter, as a foster home you will need to take the animal in and provide its daily care but the established rescue will be responsible for paying for its medical care.

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