Kidney damage & igs....a stolen message

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Posted by BabyHerp on December 13, 1999 at 21:17:51:

Gotta love Shannon Nelson at Varanus....hope she doesn't mind that I stole this post of hers...but thought it interesting enuff to post here. Purines...ugh...there's those legumes again!

KIDNEY DAMAGE IS AN INTERNET FALSEHOOD

Thursday, 28-Oct-1999 11:11:16
63.27.129.100 writes:

First of it is not animal protein that causes any Kidney associated cellular destruction, the so called PURINES (found in plants and animals) are to blame for this. There is evidence to support that a high protein/fiber diet is essential for not only the well-being of these animals, it is also counter productive in preventing bone loss, muscle weakness associated with a high sugar intake (aka fruits), and responsible for a healthy immune system.

The physiological aspects of alpha and beta receptors involving pancreatic activity and signaling responses in glomerular epithelial cells are still not resolved in mice to men. Therefore how can this be said for the IGUANA? ....because they do not have the same pathological enzyme activity to display HUMAN CONDITIONS (and neither do mice for that matter) and therefore do not justify researching the mechanics of their internal function(s).

Glomerular epithelial cell proliferation occurs in renal diseases, such as membranous nephropathy and crescentic glomerulonephritis. Researchers do not even understand the growth factors responsible for the proliferative response and inflammation of these cells in rats, dogs, monkeys, pigs, or men! So can someone explain to me how we all of a sudden know that animal protein is non-essential and destructive in the IGUANA?

The same applies to Renal Tubular Atrophy, which characterizes chronic progressive renal disease, but the molecular mechanisms of RTC deletion are still unclear to Researchers and not even a well-developed Theory has come forth.

Unlike these Iguana Death Sites and Idiotic Manuels of Green Deth on the Market, we forgot to see that variety in the diet is not only essential to us, yet to our animals as well.

These ideas are just peoples words and do not actually represent sound research into what is or isn't good for your IGUANA. When someone has one live for 18 years on a diet devoid of animal protein, unlike the one I had, then by all means let me know. UNTIL THEN, THIS 5-8 YEARS OF LIFE IS VERY PREMATURE FOR OUR GREEN FRIENDS!!!

RESEARCH: ONLY 2 ARTICLES, BOTH SUPPORTING A HIGH PROTEIN/FIBER DIET AS BENEFICIAL.

Donoghue S, et al. Growth and morphometrics of green iguanas (Iguana iguana) fed four levels of dietary protein. J Nutr. 1998 Dec;128(12 Suppl):2587S-2589S.

Donoghue S. Growth of juvenile green iguanas (Iguana iguana) fed four diets. J Nutr. 1994 Dec;124(12 Suppl):2626S-2629S.

Varanus

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Re: Kidney damage & igs....a stolen message Ingo 12/14/99 (1)
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: Gotta love Shannon Nelson at Varanus....hope she doesn't mind that I stole this post of hers...but thought it interesting enuff to post here. Purines...ugh...there's those legumes again! : KIDNEY DAMAGE IS AN INTERNET FALSEHOOD : Thursday, 28-Oct-1999 11:11:16 : 63.27.129.100 writes: : First of it is not animal protein that causes any Kidney associated cellular destruction, the so called PURINES (found in plants and animals) are to blame for this. There is evidence to support that a high protein/fiber diet is essential for not only the well-being of these animals, it is also counter productive in preventing bone loss, muscle weakness associated with a high sugar intake (aka fruits), and responsible for a healthy immune system. : The physiological aspects of alpha and beta receptors involving pancreatic activity and signaling responses in glomerular epithelial cells are still not resolved in mice to men. Therefore how can this be said for the IGUANA? ....because they do not have the same pathological enzyme activity to display HUMAN CONDITIONS (and neither do mice for that matter) and therefore do not justify researching the mechanics of their internal function(s). : Glomerular epithelial cell proliferation occurs in renal diseases, such as membranous nephropathy and crescentic glomerulonephritis. Researchers do not even understand the growth factors responsible for the proliferative response and inflammation of these cells in rats, dogs, monkeys, pigs, or men! So can someone explain to me how we all of a sudden know that animal protein is non-essential and destructive in the IGUANA? : The same applies to Renal Tubular Atrophy, which characterizes chronic progressive renal disease, but the molecular mechanisms of RTC deletion are still unclear to Researchers and not even a well-developed Theory has come forth. : Unlike these Iguana Death Sites and Idiotic Manuels of Green Deth on the Market, we forgot to see that variety in the diet is not only essential to us, yet to our animals as well. : These ideas are just peoples words and do not actually represent sound research into what is or isn't good for your IGUANA. When someone has one live for 18 years on a diet devoid of animal protein, unlike the one I had, then by all means let me know. UNTIL THEN, THIS 5-8 YEARS OF LIFE IS VERY PREMATURE FOR OUR GREEN FRIENDS!!! : RESEARCH: ONLY 2 ARTICLES, BOTH SUPPORTING A HIGH PROTEIN/FIBER DIET AS BENEFICIAL. : : Donoghue S, et al. Growth and morphometrics of green iguanas (Iguana iguana) fed four levels of dietary protein. J Nutr. 1998 Dec;128(12 Suppl):2587S-2589S. : Donoghue S. Growth of juvenile green iguanas (Iguana iguana) fed four diets. J Nutr. 1994 Dec;124(12 Suppl):2626S-2629S. :

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