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Posted by Jeff Judd on January 20, 2003 at 16:53:29:
In Reply to: dense populations, ya right ! try hornytoad heaven. posted by kwe on January 20, 2003 at 02:09:27:
:: I am here in So Cal, they have been wiped out almost everywhere. Between the scum that catch and sell them too the bulldosers, I would say they are doomed around here. Nevada is your best bet, they could give a crap about animals. KB
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KB their are no scum that catch and sell horned lizards in California it has been illegal for years and no one is doing it. Nevada allows commercial collection so if your statement is true he wouldn't find any lizards there. I study horned lizards in Southern California and found their is only one thing and one thing alone that is driving horned lizards to extinction and it isn't the pet trade. It's the growth of human population. Many people are blind to the fact that they are as much of the problem as anybody else but try and put the blame on the pet industry or on somebody else. If you drive on roads, live in a structure, buy goods from a store, play golf or any other sport for that matter, eat California grown vegetables, you are just as much the problem as anybody else. The leading cause of death are listed in order 1.Development(No land definitly means no lizards and it brings all sorts of predators not found in the natural environment:ravens,household pets,pesticide,offroad vehicles)2.Roads(Lizards cross and bask on roads and are killed)3.Ignorant laws(it is illegal to have in your possesion either mcalli or coronatum blainville even if you are saving them from the bulldozer so they(Fish and Game) would rather see the lizards die than have a chance to live). I think Horned lizards are the most facinating creatures on the planet and should be enjoyed by anyone who has an interest in them. The only way we might save them is by preserving the lands that haven't been developed and by research on their survival as well as CAPTIVE propagation by dedicated individuals who can spread captive bred individuals across the globe to public display facilities for everyone to enjoy.
