- reptile and amphibian classifieds, breeders, forums, photos, videos and more

return to main index

  mobile - desktop
follow us on facebook follow us on twitter follow us on YouTube link to us on LinkedIn
click here for Rodent Pro  
click here for Rodent Pro
Mice, Rats, Rabbits, Chicks, Quail
Available Now at!
Locate a business by name: click to list your business
search the classifieds. buy an account
events by zip code list an event
Search the forums             Search in:
News & Events: Herp Photo of the Day: Chameleon . . . . . . . . . .  Herp Photo of the Day: Garter Snake . . . . . . . . . .  All Maryland Reptile Show - Feb. 11, 2023 . . . . . . . . . .  Northern Virginia Reptile Show - Feb. 18, 2023 . . . . . . . . . .  Western Maryland Reptile Show - Mar. 04, 2023 . . . . . . . . . .  All Maryland Reptile Show - Mar 11, 2023 . . . . . . . . . .  York County Reptile Show - Mar. 12, 2023 . . . . . . . . . .  East Coast Reptile Super Expo - Mar. 25, 2023 . . . . . . . . . .  All Maryland Reptile Show - Apr. 01, 2023 . . . . . . . . . .  Richmond Reptile Expo - Apr. 08, 2023 . . . . . . . . . .  Northern Virginia Reptile Show - Apr. 15, 2023 . . . . . . . . . .  All Maryland Reptile Show - May 06, 2023 . . . . . . . . . . 

Awsome! You answered all kinds of Qs i've been mulling over>

[ Follow Ups ] [ Post Followup ] [ The Horned Lizard Forum ]

Posted by Pennebaker on September 03, 2002 at 14:11:18:

In Reply to: Re: Detailed Q for Lester and Gordon.... posted by gcsnelling on September 03, 2002 at 08:01:46:

Hi Gordon,
Granted, i'm feeling a little dum right now about the fungus thing! I guess i had put tid-bits of facts together over the years about ants and had come-up with a very inaccurate picture. I really should learn more about ants, darn-it!
For some reason, I was under the impression that they took the food to their chmabers and converted it into useable nutrients for the pupae and other ants. I had heard that many ants actually harvested the fungus that grew from their food sources. I guess i overgenralized and applied this info incorrectly. Thank you very much for setting things straight for me!

The second point you made is quite useful as well and basically justifies my doubts and fears about trying to supplement HLs by feeding ants a particular diet. While this method seems to work well enough for other insects and other lizards, i have always been skeptical that it was doing anything measureably beneficial for the HLs. I'm always looking for ways to increase vitamin and mineral availability for HLs in an effort to provide the variation HLs get from different ants at different sources and the other insects they eat at different times of the year. Knowing that HLs are sensitive to conventional reptile supplementation, I'm constantly looking for methods that are more natural, less intrusive and or voluntary.
I guess i better start looking into areas other than ant supplementation, LOL.
Thanks again for all your help.
:Hi Loren
:I will let Lester handle most of this as he has far more experience than I do with HLs. The one misconception you apparently have is that all ants eat fungus. So far as is known that is only true for a few genera of ants here in the US. Overall they feed on more tradtional items. In general the fungus growers are not going to be a regular (if at all) food item for the HL due to nocturnal habits (depends on conditions), extreme spininess of bodies. etc In general it is a case of you are what you eat as you have hinted and consumed nutrients will be passed along however Ant larva are the big eaters and are the ones capable of eating solid foods. The adults typically only eat liquids and if it seems that they are eating greens and such the most they would be doing would chewing them and consuming the liquids.
:However to try and answer your question, I would say that calcium transfer is probably very limited in the scenario you put forth. If the larva eat the high nutrient, then change to adults the nutrient they consumed will be mostly used up and not readily available in the adult ant. I do feel your approach of hydrating the ants and feeding them well is very good approach, if the ants are well fed they will logically contain more available nutrients for the lizards. I hope this is coherent and makes some kind of sense. it is really early in the morning. I am sure Lester will have more to say on aspects I have not thought of.

Follow Ups:

[ Follow Ups ] [ The Horned Lizard Forum ]