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Posted by Paul Hollander on April 23, 2003 at 16:58:53:
In Reply to: Maybe I'm just odd, but.... posted by oldherper on April 23, 2003 at 00:26:43:
:A cross between two subspecies of the same species cannot be a hybrid.
In a couple of months the land around my place will be densely covered with hybrid corn. These are not even crosses of subspecies; they are crosses of inbred lines.
I know that among herpers "hybrid" generally refers to species or generic crosses. I'm just saying that the herper's definition is not the only definition.
: They are only geographic races of the same species. They will be intergrades whether they are in captivity or in the wild. No one on here that I saw said there was anything wrong with intergrades. They happen all the time in the wild. This discussion is about HYBRIDS....things that don't happen in the wild, like Lampropeltis sp x Elaphe sp. For that part of it, opinion doesn't matter..it's biological fact, an intergrade is an intergrade and a hybrid is a hybrid. The opinion comes into play when we are discussing the ethics of creating unnatural hybrids in captivity.
Are you claiming that black rat snakes from Pennsylvania routinely cross with yellow rat snakes from central Florida?
IMHO, thumbs down on man-made subspecies crosses.
Paul Hollander
