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Posted by tommyboy on December 02, 2002 at 18:21:48:
In Reply to: Re: Maybe someone in here can answer my question.... posted by WK on December 02, 2002 at 09:53:14:
:I am wanting to know about the toxicity of C.m.molossus venom. I have heard/read that it only produces local systemic effects but I have also heard/read that it is as bad as C.atrox/C.adamanteus. Any help would be appreciated.
:I saw your question on the main venomous board, but I’m not exactly sure what you want to know. First, "only local systemic effects" does not really make sense. Systemic means effects are widespread, occurring away from the bite site (in other words, not local). Local means effects are restricted to the region of the bite site (i.e. not systemic). This doesn’t mean, however, that you can’t have both in an envenomation case. For example, envenomation by C. molossus has been described in the literature as producing severe localized swelling / ecchymosis at the bite site (here’s a local effect) as well as hypofibrinogenemia / abnormal clotting (and here’s a systemic effect). So what is it you want to know?
:The next arm of your question notes that you’ve "heard / read it [C. molossus venom toxicity] is as bad as C. atrox / C. adamanteus". Are you asking how the LD50 for blacktail venom compares to that of western and eastern diamondbacks? What do you mean by “as bad as”?
:Cheers,
:WK
First off local/systemic effects would be an and/or type of thing I guess. I got that bit of confusing information from the VenomousReptiles.org website. It's listed on their venom chart. As for "as bad as" I was refering to the average amount of tissue damage , other physical effects , and deaths resulting from bites from C.m.molossus vs C.atrox or C.adamanteus. My apologies for not being specific. I am learning as I go and appreciate the help. Happy holidays.
cheers,
Tom
