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Tired of it, so start swinging


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Posted by kingconan1st on May 12, 2003 at 20:38:27:

In Reply to: Tired of it, so start swinging posted by jared w on May 12, 2003 at 16:31:02:

EXACTLY!! You are so correct. It is most likely their ineptness, and their need to feel superior that makes them mutilate animals.
Perhaps they are trying to compensate for an inefficiency/inadequacy in their physiological makeup?

Not to mention the unscientific means by which they keep their animals. AS you mentioned, these are NOT meant to be Pets, these are animals that are to be studied, and respected. Also, there are many medical b enefits that are currently being utilized from snake venom.
Such as treatments for heart patients, and also MS. So, to knowingly MUTILATE a spceices that is beneficial to mankind makes no sense at all. VENEMOIDS are uncouth, and uneducated fools who deserve no respect!

:Ok, I do have a rant, I said I wouldnt do It but I will> I have serious issues with venomoid animals and here goes.

:I would Like to see all venomoiders surgical Licenses, and the vet schools they attended

:I Would also like to know, out of curiousity, how many of those venomoid keepers routinely see these animals at shows, and they dont look like there heads have been pulled apart.

:Where do these operations occur, does anyone have photos of your surgical set ups, are they sterile, is everything rocaled on a daily basis? Personally I have assisted 400+ surgeries, ranging from HBC, spays, neuters, and DECLAWS etc etc

:The animals are devalued as people pick them up like cornsnakes and even let them get bit?!?!

:In my eyes, its the keepers problem, they obviously have an issue and are either afraid (in which case you should reconsider what your doing) of the animal or do not understand the individuals behavior. And instead of taking some time and learing more about it, they choose the easy road and cripple the animal.

:Venom aids in digestion, and yes they can be digested without, but why would nature give it to the animal in the first place?

:I Have never seen a venomoid that couldnt easily be pointed out, the surgeries are sloppy, and anyone can see that.

:I dont agree with declaws, canine pulling, venomoids, etc. If you are not confident in your private, tech, or vetrinary capabilities you should not punish animals based on your lack of ability. Big cats, are SUPPOSED TO HAVE CANINES, SO ARE WOLVES, BEARS, And Baboons. It REALLY reflects on the keeper if they feel it necessary to preform such barbaric actions. Also, most vets (as stated, some arent very good, and need money anyway) will not do these surgeries for various reasons. Personally, I would hope they have better ethics. WHAT alot of people dont understand is, THESE ANIMALS ARE NOT PETS< get a dog or cat if you need a companion, my animals are all specimens, that I observe monitor and record spending routinely 6hrs a day working with herps. This isnt a game, dont try to force WILD ANIMALS to play by your rules, jesus am I the only one here who has seen jurassic park LOL! Nature has reprocussions, and the first time part of a gland is missed, it regenerates, and some no nothing lets his now hot cobra chew on his arm the s@&# will hit the fan. I dont think this is based on personal preference, I mean, are roundups based on preference? They all consider themselves to be herpetologist? Its one thing to work with animals that you love (trust me, I dont do this for the money) its another to cripple them to increase standard market value. I Know I will get bashed, but thats ok, I dont need to give you my experience, etc etc as its not necessary. I know most of the people on this forum, and I understand as long as snakes are considered nuisance animals you can do whatever ya like to um, but personally it does not represent well on the keeper. My 0.02 on this pathetic subject,

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:Jared





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