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Posted by Jaffo on May 13, 2002 at 08:04:18:

In Reply to: Re: Collecting wild snakes verses EXPLOITATION. posted by Tom Townsend on May 12, 2002 at 22:06:58:

"I still can't get any of you folks to tell me why it is okay to collect in foreign lands, but when it's done here it is exploiting the wildlife. It's exploitation to sell any animal if you want to carry the debate to the nth degree."

>>>. Agreed 100%. There is simply no difference at all. But I'm sure you recognize that if the demand is supplied more increasingly by captive-produced animals, we are offsetting the exploitation of nature's product, and relieving the constant pressure on native populations from any country. If most American herp keepers weren't so damned lazy and stupid, maybe more of the captive animals we keep will have been bred and we could be producing a hell of a lot more captive offspring.

"If you keep talking like that, PETA will send you a membership application."

>>> Actually, no. PETA would be happy if no one owned a reptile in captivity. Do you know why? Because PETA wants to protect the innocent rodents that we feed to our captive snakes. They couldn't care less about the snakes living in cages--- they aren't cute and fuzzy.

"So, why is okay for animals collected in Africa, Indonesia, Asia or anywhere else in the world to be exploited and it is not okay for animals that are collected in the good old USA?"

>>> It isn't. In fact, I used to be the "venomous specialist" for a buddy of mine when he was importing smallish quantities of animals from Ghana. I quit because I couldn't stomach the BS anymore. I got tired of seeing so many animals get forced through the mill, only to be sold to dip sh!ts all over the USA. Those animals deserve a better life. Sometimes, captivity is a better life for an animal than their home environment. But I tend to think otherwise for most of the market in the USA. No contradictions here Tom...

" P.S. I am jealous as he11 of your move to Arizona, Jaffo. You have been taking some seriously incredible pictures of the animals you find and the landscape is out of this world."

>>> Thanks a lot man. I am loving it. AZ is a herp mecca, and the scenery can't be beat. Let me know if you're ever out this way... we'll hook up. :)

Jaf

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: "I still can't get any of you folks to tell me why it is okay to collect in foreign lands, but when it's done here it is exploiting the wildlife. It's exploitation to sell any animal if you want to carry the debate to the nth degree." : >>>. Agreed 100%. There is simply no difference at all. But I'm sure you recognize that if the demand is supplied more increasingly by captive-produced animals, we are offsetting the exploitation of nature's product, and relieving the constant pressure on native populations from any country. If most American herp keepers weren't so damned lazy and stupid, maybe more of the captive animals we keep will have been bred and we could be producing a hell of a lot more captive offspring. : "If you keep talking like that, PETA will send you a membership application." : >>> Actually, no. PETA would be happy if no one owned a reptile in captivity. Do you know why? Because PETA wants to protect the innocent rodents that we feed to our captive snakes. They couldn't care less about the snakes living in cages--- they aren't cute and fuzzy. : "So, why is okay for animals collected in Africa, Indonesia, Asia or anywhere else in the world to be exploited and it is not okay for animals that are collected in the good old USA?" : >>> It isn't. In fact, I used to be the "venomous specialist" for a buddy of mine when he was importing smallish quantities of animals from Ghana. I quit because I couldn't stomach the BS anymore. I got tired of seeing so many animals get forced through the mill, only to be sold to dip sh!ts all over the USA. Those animals deserve a better life. Sometimes, captivity is a better life for an animal than their home environment. But I tend to think otherwise for most of the market in the USA. No contradictions here Tom... : " P.S. I am jealous as he11 of your move to Arizona, Jaffo. You have been taking some seriously incredible pictures of the animals you find and the landscape is out of this world." : >>> Thanks a lot man. I am loving it. AZ is a herp mecca, and the scenery can't be beat. Let me know if you're ever out this way... we'll hook up. :) : Jaf

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