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Posted by MiserMike on April 17, 2003 at 13:33:22:
In Reply to: Re: (more philosophy)reproduction is not happiness? posted by nathana on April 17, 2003 at 09:01:56:
:I don't breed turtles for the purpose of selling offspring,
:I guess this makes my point of view different, and thus my definition of successful different, than other keepers. Some may, like chicken farmers, get better breeding results in more controlled, less natural or roomy environments
My point was NOT to emphasize breeding to sell. I used to breed snakes, but quit a few years ago; now I just keep herps for my own enjoyment and to do educational presentations for schools, scouts, parks, libraries, etc. I was focussing on the idea that reproduction does not necessarily mean animals are "happy" by whatever definition someone wants to use. Another example: I knew of a ball python (NOT mine!) that never ate in 17 years of captivity. Had to be force-fed a hot dog weekly, yet it produced a clutch of young every year. Ordinarily we'd say an animal that refuses food is obviously not "happy" in captivity.
:Do you still keep bees? My father enjoys it alot. I can't get over being kinda creeped out by so many stinging things (that I happen to be allergic to) crawling around in one place. I do like the honey, though.
No bees since the eighties, they need too much of their care at about the same time the school year gets chaotic, and I wasn't satisfied with less-than-ideal maintainance of my colonies. They say you can tell if you should keep bees with a simple test: Have someone unexpectedly say "bees" to you. Is the first word that pops into your head "sting" or "honey"?