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Posted by Dana on November 01, 2001 at 09:39:33:
In Reply to: Re: Jeff... posted by Aaron on November 01, 2001 at 07:33:05:
This is so true, and yes, with so many different reptiles. no wonder the hsus and peta are all over the reptile trade. EVERY bearded dragon (the ultimate beginner lizard) that I have acquired this year through trades has had twitching like mad--i have had to calcium boost and mineral shot all of them (not to mention how skinny they were). NO MORE TRADES FOR ME. I was doing a show the other weekend and a little girl showed me a dragon her mom had bought for at the show the previous day...i had to tell her to go get her money back and there was nothing she could do to save the dragons life--this thing was an hour shy of dead and only 4 inches--i think it is safe to say this animal was obviously not going to make it a week before the show. and someone still sells it...TO AN 11 YEAR OLD GIRL!!! and what were most of the people at the show buying??? retics, burmese, monitors! scarey. i have two pairs of tegus that should be ready to go next season, and i agree that i am concerned about how and who i would want to sell to. Education education education is the answer, so as much as it is frustrating to hear so many questions, it is probably the duty of responsible breeders to answer answer answer and try to be diplomatic about it---but also honest and letting newbies know about some of these issues. we should get pissed at the irresponsible breeders and dealers, and try to have as much patience as possible with the newcomers.
if breeders are taking such poor care of their animals, how can we expect the people that buy them to know any better!
Dana
: : You are right, I am sorry. I hate it when I see people giving newbies a hard time. I do not want to do that myself!
: : I am still pissed off about the twitching tegu post. You have no idea how many emails I respond to everyday. There is no good information about tegus and because they have dropped in price so much they are being sold the ANYONE. People email me and ask if I will give them $50 and pay the shiping for them to mail me a half-dead tegu. They drive them into the ground and then want to dump them off. I am really tired of it. The breeders don't care how many are over-produced. The importers don't care, the pet store owners don't care. If the people who buy them don't care then what?
: : Again, I am sorry for taking it out on you.
: : Jeff Houston
: Jeff,
: This is something that I have been feeling for years. I have been to reptile shows and seen baby tegus in ten gallon tanks twitching like crazy. I knew why. I tested the guy who was selling them to see if he would tell me why, and he made up some BS story that was just ridiculous. Unfortunately, it does not end with just tegus. I see this ALL of the time. At the Jacksonville show last year, I pointed out two beautiful borneo bloods that were dead on this guys table. I was disgusted. This is one of the reasons that I hate doing shows. I would hate to be a beginner herpeculturist and be stigmatized as one of these type of people who sell dead animals(literally). You are right there is not much info on tegus out there. I think the reason for that is because WHO KNOWS. I have been keeping tegus since 93 and I still don't know. All of the things that I have learned have been through trial and era, including dealing with the people who buy reptiles. You have a small percentage of people who buy animals, and they keep them for the duration of the reptiles life. Others will buy, sell, buy, sell, and unfortunately you have people who are going to buy a reptile because it is "cool" or whatever, not take care of it, and this leads to the emails you get, I get them as well. It is very frustrating, I know.
: Aaron
