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Posted by T.C. on September 21, 2001 at 21:20:23:

In Reply to: Re: The Black Copper Ratsnake... posted by Terry Cox on September 21, 2001 at 19:40:54:

: : This kinda confirms what I thought - I've got both helena and radiata and thought these guys looked very similar both in their markings, dimensions and general behaviour.

: : I like this group a lot. Is there any close connection with the taeniura group as these guys often seem like somewhat smaller versions of e.t spp?

: : I have a ridleyi which displays many of the same defensive postures as my radiata. S- bend neck, neckspreading and wide open mouth.

: : Thanks for the input.

: I think there's probably some connection between taeniura and the radiata group, but not as close as the sps. in the radiata group are to each other. That's just my opinion. I think someday the radiata sps complex will probably get a different genus name, then it's a contest to see if taeniura will go with them, stay in Elaphe, or get a genus of its own :)

: PS: Check out the way helena and radiata can inflate their necks. This is what Gonyosoma oxycephala does too, and this species has a special air sack which it inflates. I wonder if radiata and helena have that air sack adaptation??

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: : : This kinda confirms what I thought - I've got both helena and radiata and thought these guys looked very similar both in their markings, dimensions and general behaviour. : : : I like this group a lot. Is there any close connection with the taeniura group as these guys often seem like somewhat smaller versions of e.t spp? : : : I have a ridleyi which displays many of the same defensive postures as my radiata. S- bend neck, neckspreading and wide open mouth. : : : Thanks for the input. : : : I think there's probably some connection between taeniura and the radiata group, but not as close as the sps. in the radiata group are to each other. That's just my opinion. I think someday the radiata sps complex will probably get a different genus name, then it's a contest to see if taeniura will go with them, stay in Elaphe, or get a genus of its own :) : : PS: Check out the way helena and radiata can inflate their necks. This is what Gonyosoma oxycephala does too, and this species has a special air sack which it inflates. I wonder if radiata and helena have that air sack adaptation??

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