Great study you did

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Posted by RussB on August 03, 2001 at 07:24:38:

In Reply to: Just did a little shipping/tempeture experiment.. LOOK!! posted by Adam Block on August 02, 2001 at 21:55:59:

Adam I would say that was an interesting look at the potentials that all animals face when being shipped during June - August. 129 degrees is pretty darn hot!

I have only shipped animals twice and both times were no problem. That said, they were "safe months" in my opinion March, April, October and November.

Now what I think would be even more interesting is to actually ship the box to a friend and see what the results are. I know you would not be able to monitor the outside temps but it would be interesting to know the inside temps without using hot/cold packs.

I got some snakes in January from South Mountain and they arrived pretty cold despite the use of heat packs. They made it ok just a little stiff and slow moving. I had regurge problems for a few months but soon they settled in. I wonder if heat stress will produce similar results?

Russ

: Okay, I would have bet the farm things would have gone the other way with this. So I guess it's time I eat crow. Here's what I did:

: 1) Standard shipping box lined with one-inch styro. This is heavy-duty styro used in construction, coated on one side with a type of foil.

: 2) Cool hard pack from chest freezer (colder then normal) placed in box.

: 3) Digital thermometer with both in/out temps as well as high low was placed in the box.

: I then placed this box in the back seat of my car with the outside probe hanging out of the sealed box. I left it there for 18 hours, the normal shipping time through the whole hot part of the day (1am-8pm). It was exposed to sun as if it sat on a hot runway for a portion of the time. After just checking the box I was AMAZED at what I found. I would have honestly bet money a snake in the package would have been fine.

: The outside high/low was 145/73.4 degrees.
: The inside high/low was 129/62.6 degrees.

: You can see from that a snake would have never lived. I've yet to have any troubles shipping and I will try this again tonight and change the times to my normal shipping and arrival times (5-6pm and 10-12am). I will also not use the same extreme tempeture; maybe I'll use the trunk of the car.

: What do you all think?
: Adam Block

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: Adam I would say that was an interesting look at the potentials that all animals face when being shipped during June - August. 129 degrees is pretty darn hot! : I have only shipped animals twice and both times were no problem. That said, they were "safe months" in my opinion March, April, October and November. : Now what I think would be even more interesting is to actually ship the box to a friend and see what the results are. I know you would not be able to monitor the outside temps but it would be interesting to know the inside temps without using hot/cold packs. : I got some snakes in January from South Mountain and they arrived pretty cold despite the use of heat packs. They made it ok just a little stiff and slow moving. I had regurge problems for a few months but soon they settled in. I wonder if heat stress will produce similar results? : Russ : : Okay, I would have bet the farm things would have gone the other way with this. So I guess it's time I eat crow. Here's what I did: : : 1) Standard shipping box lined with one-inch styro. This is heavy-duty styro used in construction, coated on one side with a type of foil. : : 2) Cool hard pack from chest freezer (colder then normal) placed in box. : : 3) Digital thermometer with both in/out temps as well as high low was placed in the box. : : I then placed this box in the back seat of my car with the outside probe hanging out of the sealed box. I left it there for 18 hours, the normal shipping time through the whole hot part of the day (1am-8pm). It was exposed to sun as if it sat on a hot runway for a portion of the time. After just checking the box I was AMAZED at what I found. I would have honestly bet money a snake in the package would have been fine. : : The outside high/low was 145/73.4 degrees. : : The inside high/low was 129/62.6 degrees. : : You can see from that a snake would have never lived. I've yet to have any troubles shipping and I will try this again tonight and change the times to my normal shipping and arrival times (5-6pm and 10-12am). I will also not use the same extreme tempeture; maybe I'll use the trunk of the car. : : What do you all think? : : Adam Block

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