Yeah that's the frustrating thing about the Asians. Some can be a real pain in the you know what to work but not the rhynos. Maybe Rick and I should get together to get a paper written for publication..how 'bout it Rick? Need to get the word out now that there has been some success to entice the popularity of these wonderful animals. I have a rough draft already in the written but it needs some work. Terry thanks for the nice words! I don't think I would be doing it if it wasn't for a love of the challenge and the satisfaction of seeing the little ones sticking their heads out of the eggs.