Re: Picky ...be flexible...& democratic....

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: Peter, as you well are aware....here "we" (most of us-them... anyway) choose to know virtually nothing about the rest of the world, we know foot-ball (not soccer...) stats back to the beginning of time....but are blissfully unaware that the priest has sodomized our sons.... kinda sad eh? : Events only matter in terms of America or how it affects us. I am aware of your "democracy" but contrasted w/ our version...its pretty socialistic...cradle to grave security right? Here only the very rich & the very poor have such privledge! : The rest of us get the carrot of decent pay for 5 day work weeks/ 49 weeks of the year till we are quite aged.... or are threatned w/ becoming homeless! Most of us who are functional, choose the work routine & keep things like our guardians to stave off the utter maddness of life! : There are few other places in this sorry world I would want to live, but from what I hear....Scandinavia is one of the few really equal or better places. : Sorry for sounding a bit glum, but its hotter than hell here in Az. right now....not the best environment for philosophizing!! : I for one would be interested in hearing more about herptoculture in what is for many of us our homelands of Europe. : C&B; jg : : There are some beutiful sceneries over here... : : Well, haven´t done any research but it seems to me that the Vipera berus are quite frequent! : : There is no law against snake keeping, still one should have permission... Very few hustle with the authorithies/permissions. : : Don´t know if I misunderstood you... Sweden is a democracy. : : /Peter : : : : : You're welcome. Sweden eh? What a neat place to be. One day...I must see it..& Denmark/Holland/Germany... : : : Pity the good social engineers there deemed all natives to be protected, surely some adder or colubrid lives in sufficient densities to have limited take. When you have non-native wildlife like your guardians...does the govt still have an interest in them (transport/sale/etc) or are they considered private property? Your lack of roadkills is interesting too??? : : : : : : : Thanks for your reasonable reply, regalringneck! Today, my male took one ratpinky and a mouse afterwards without my effort to lure him, feels good! : : : : Here in Sweden all wild snakes and lizards are protected. Besides, you can be happy, or sad, if you see a roadkill a year... And I won´t pay 30 dollars for a meal of a live captive born snake or lizard... Rather force feed then. But the fish alternative could be a solution if he´s starting to refuse the mice and pinkies again. : : : : Thanks again for some perspectives! : : : : /Peter : : : : : : : : : : Peter, an easy solution is, you need to start offering this beast different prey, otherwise you risk losing it. The guardians eat a wide range of prey in the wild & have done so for a few million years or so, you probably want to quit fighting this & try & duplicate it. I find many snakes (not all) @ different stages of life insist on certain prey, they're hardwired for these. Offer it a good fresh roadkilled snake/lizard or fish & watch your fingers! Later, you can move it over to the proper captive diet of straight flagel & rats!!! : : : : : : : : : : : Hi, my eastern yearling has become a quite troublesome feeder... (mostly been difficult since I got him in march this year) He hasn´t been eating for a couple of weeks now!(no shedding on the way) I have to lure him when feeding him f/t mice but it takes a lot of time and effort and it doesn´t work every time... At first he seems to be interested but then something else comes to his mind! Several times last week I have failed and I had to throw the mice away... My other two eastern females and my kingsnake can´t eat them all! ;) : : : : : : There is no problem with my females and the conditions are the same for the male indigo. : : : : : : He is in good overall shape, still! : : : : : : I have run out of ideas, someone got any suggestions? : : : : : : /Peter : : : : : : Ps. A few evenings(he usually won´t take anything at daytime) ago I lifted his hiding place away and found him buried into the substrate and tickled him on the his back with the mouse, held with a plier, to get him curious. He hissed some and finally he came up striking repeatedly the mouse like a rattler but he didn´t take it, he was really mad! Maybe this was unwise of me but I have allways been gentle to him before and I liked to try! By the way, I´m not looking forward to meet him in that mood when he is 6-7 feet long! ;)

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