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Posted by Carl on January 28, 2002 at 18:33:02:
In Reply to: Jeremy makes an excellent point.................... posted by Fred Albury(Aztec Reptiles) on January 28, 2002 at 17:46:41:
First, let me confess that I'm a human doctor, sorry..But since I started this thread, here goes...
Flagyl is a very unique anti- microbial...There is NO other drug like it...The indications for metronidizole (Flagyl) and aminoglycosides (amikacin) and floxins (Baytryl) are COMPLETELY different Neither of the latter cover the enteric (intestinal) pathogens as flagyl...Neither is an ameobicide, which is very important in reptiles...Nor are they anti-parasitics which flagyl is...It is also an excellent antibiotic for anaerobic pneumonias and more...
In humans, it is safe for women in PREGNANCY and the drug of choice for pneumonias in the debilitated, as well as the antiobiotic of choice for the vast majority of intestinal infections and more...
I find it very unusual that this drug should be toxic only to 2 genera of snakes from the same taxonomic group...It just doesn't make sense...
If the reason for staying away from it is all based on annecdotal experience, than we are depriving our animals of an outstanding drug that is an antibiotic, anti-parasitical, and anti-amoebic...
I'm not saying we should all rush out and buy it to give at the drop of a hat, but at least not across the board drop it from our arsenal with NO scientific evidence...Particularily those of us who love cribos..Frequently we are still getting wild caught animals in which all of the above bad stuff is endemic and needs treatment....Enterocolitis (diarrhea), amoebic liver and intestinal infections and external, as well as internal parasites...
So guys the answer is THERE IS NO OTHER DRUG which does all the things flagyl can do...
Let the shelling begin, I'm already in my basement.."Dr Carl"
: : If you are really concerned about flagyl, why not use baytril or Amikacin? Amikacin is a little bit more tedious to administer but in my opinion works better than flagyl in many cases. Baytril is just awesome. I know it has been known to cause some scarring in dogs and cats if given SQ but I have never heard of any instances of this in snakes.
: Folks,
: The first time I heard of the issue of sensitivity in Drymarchon and flagyll was 11 years ago. To date I have used it ONCE on a Drymarchon. I would have to agree with Jeremy, why bother researching it and trying to find out if it is or isnt toxic at lower dosages? Pick another drug to do the same thing, Baytrill works wrll but can lead to dermal breakdowns if used to frequently. Better than death,I think. But if someone wants to research it, then thats their right, just dont ask me to volunteer any of MY Drymarchon for test subjects:) Good point Jeremy.
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: Fred
: (Aztec Reptiles)
