Re: Indigo snake venom?

Posted by Patrick Alexander on January 07, 2001 at 20:28:12:

In Reply to: Re: Indigo snake venom? posted by VWillisJr on January 07, 2001 at 00:36:05:

: : No offense, but the fact that you haven't been envenomated doesn't mean there isn't any venom. Garter snakes, for instance, are known to have toxic saliva, but, despite the fact that probably a few thousand people a year end up getting bitten by them, there are extremely few documented envenomations (less than 10, I think).
: : Patrick Alexander

: This is starting to sound like someone is trying to find a back door excuse to justify banning the keeping of reptiles.

That certainly isn't something I'm trying to do. And there certainly didn't seem to be any such intent in the article I mentioned, nor in what else I've read about such things...

: I guess if you want to classify every allergy, infectious agent, and the possiblity that someone with a morbid fear of snakes may have a heart attack by only seeing one, as being envenomated then go ahead.

Eh? I'm not talking about allergies. Whether we should call Duvernoy's gland secretions `venom' or not is debatable, but they certainly are toxic, and many colubrids certainly do have Duvernoy's glands.

: Misquitos and honey bees cause more problems in this country than even the four real venomous species, rattlesnakes, coral snakes, cottonmouths, and agcopperheads.

Certainly. If it had been my intent to argue that garter snakes were dangerous, I hardly would have mentioned the fact that an -extremely- low percentage of bites result in envenomation (or `en-Duvernoy's-gland-secretion-ation').

Patrick Alexander

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: : : : No offense, but the fact that you haven't been envenomated doesn't mean there isn't any venom. Garter snakes, for instance, are known to have toxic saliva, but, despite the fact that probably a few thousand people a year end up getting bitten by them, there are extremely few documented envenomations (less than 10, I think). : : : Patrick Alexander : : This is starting to sound like someone is trying to find a back door excuse to justify banning the keeping of reptiles. : That certainly isn't something I'm trying to do. And there certainly didn't seem to be any such intent in the article I mentioned, nor in what else I've read about such things... : : I guess if you want to classify every allergy, infectious agent, and the possiblity that someone with a morbid fear of snakes may have a heart attack by only seeing one, as being envenomated then go ahead. : Eh? I'm not talking about allergies. Whether we should call Duvernoy's gland secretions `venom' or not is debatable, but they certainly are toxic, and many colubrids certainly do have Duvernoy's glands. : : Misquitos and honey bees cause more problems in this country than even the four real venomous species, rattlesnakes, coral snakes, cottonmouths, and agcopperheads. : Certainly. If it had been my intent to argue that garter snakes were dangerous, I hardly would have mentioned the fact that an -extremely- low percentage of bites result in envenomation (or `en-Duvernoy's-gland-secretion-ation'). : Patrick Alexander

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