Good lookin' animals......

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Posted by kerry on January 07, 2002 at 22:15:24:

In Reply to: Here are the parents...please be gentle (LOL) posted by kearley on January 07, 2002 at 17:34:51:

......First, I need to make one thing perfectly clear: I have never called anyone's animals ugly, just less than "pure" in those cases where some people(no names this time) were claiming their animals to be something that they weren't according to the currently accepted scientific rules, or "key". The real disappointment or percieved "abrasion" lies within the keepers reaction to the possibility that now perhaps his or her animal may not be quite as valuable as they had thought, or worth as much as they had paid for it. But then its a perfectly normal reaction to want to shoot the messenger rather than the culprit.

As soon as I saw your adults I recognized some very familiar pattern character types that are fairly common in lizards form north and east of the Phoenix metropolitan area. According to the current range maps(which need to be thrown out, IMO) animals from that area fall into suspectum, but in reality is right about in the center of what should at least be considered a very broad intergradation zone. I have personally seen lizards from the Scottsdale/Mesa/Apache Jct. area that look identical to these. Do you know if the pair is related? There are a few more cinctum indicators in the male than in the female.

Please don't get me wrong... I actually PREFER these "intergrades" above most of the others because not only do they retain banding, but quite often the lines tend to be finer(like in these) and lend themselves to a more attractive almost "flower like" appearance within the bands.

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thanks for the compliment and they are unrelated. kealrey 01/08/02 (2)
- Sorry I took so long...... kerry 01/09/02 (1)
  - Thanks for the information Kerry......np kearley 01/09/02 (0)

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: ......First, I need to make one thing perfectly clear: I have never called anyone's animals ugly, just less than "pure" in those cases where some people(no names this time) were claiming their animals to be something that they weren't according to the currently accepted scientific rules, or "key". The real disappointment or percieved "abrasion" lies within the keepers reaction to the possibility that now perhaps his or her animal may not be quite as valuable as they had thought, or worth as much as they had paid for it. But then its a perfectly normal reaction to want to shoot the messenger rather than the culprit. : As soon as I saw your adults I recognized some very familiar pattern character types that are fairly common in lizards form north and east of the Phoenix metropolitan area. According to the current range maps(which need to be thrown out, IMO) animals from that area fall into suspectum, but in reality is right about in the center of what should at least be considered a very broad intergradation zone. I have personally seen lizards from the Scottsdale/Mesa/Apache Jct. area that look identical to these. Do you know if the pair is related? There are a few more cinctum indicators in the male than in the female. : Please don't get me wrong... I actually PREFER these "intergrades" above most of the others because not only do they retain banding, but quite often the lines tend to be finer(like in these) and lend themselves to a more attractive almost "flower like" appearance within the bands.

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