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Posted by PhoenixZorn on February 16, 2003 at 15:21:00:
In Reply to: Re: New to THIS board... a few questions for the CITES holders. posted by Roy Stockwell on February 15, 2003 at 22:57:09:
Thank you for your reply. About the renewal, I was talking about the previous question about how long a permit is good for. As for US based animals, are there any permits needed for aquiring US protected species(that are not native to your home state) for breeding purposes? Note: I don't mean endangered when I say protected, but Threatenned animals may be on the list.
I am also refering more to turtles and lizards than snakes, as I don't have much fondness for actualy owning snakes, I just like to look at them.
::1. How much is a standard CITES import permit?
:Depends on the country.. You only need an import permit for appendix I animals and I hear the US isn't giving out import permits(for appendix 1 herps)
::2. How long is the permit good for?
:It's a proof of legal origin..it doesn't expire
::3. Will I have to renew for animals I already own?
:Sorry, it doesn't work that way.. The original importer of the founder stock
:should have a copy of the CITES from the country of origin
::4. How many animals can be imported for a single permit, unlimited, or is it specific to each permit?
:Depends on the country..in the US you can apply to export more than you actually do. In Canada the exact amount must go on the permit
::5. I live in Wisconsin, are there any special laws specific to my state for importing from places like Indonesia, China, or Europe?
:Yes, of course, but the CITES must come from the country you're importing from. If it's appendix 1, you'll need a US import permit, nearly impossible to get
::6. If I am interested in an animal native to the United States, but not to Wisconsin, that is protected, will a CITES permit allow me to get that type of animal for private breeding purposes?
:No CITES is for internation trade
::Thank you for your time in answering my questions.
:CITES permits are for international trade. You require one if you are exporting to another country
:or if you are importing and the snake is listed under appendix one.
:International trade in appendix one species requires both an import permit from the government of the country wishing to import
:and an export permit from the country of origin...
:Possesion of the animals doesn't require a permit, although it's a good idea to be able to trace the legal origin of CITES species, most herpers
:never bother... but this may cause problems if there is ever a smuggling sting operation or if you ever want to sell offspring to another country.
:All boids are a minium of appendix two. Some are appendix one, like Dumerils, Puerto Rican boas, Jamaican boas and Argentines.
:You can't export any CITES species without an export permit. If it's appendix one, both you and your recipent need a permit.
:There is no renewal for animals you already own. It's a bit late at that point. If they were legally imported into the US,then they would have come with
:a CITES permit from the country of origin.. Most wholesalers keep these, and they don't generally go to Joe public unless people are vigilant about asking for them.
:Some stuff has been circulating for so long the trail to origin is cold.
:The US government will not provide export permits for animals where NO known legal import has occured..
:Such is the case with Australian boids and monitors...It's next to impossible to export those..They will want to know, how they got to the US to start with. Australia doesnt
:export, or at least hasn't in many years!