kingsnake.com - reptile and amphibian classifieds, breeders, forums, photos, videos and more

return to main index

  mobile - desktop
follow us on facebook follow us on twitter follow us on YouTube link to us on LinkedIn
 
click here for Rodent Pro
This Space Available
3 months for $50.00
Locate a business by name: click to list your business
search the classifieds. buy an account
events by zip code list an event
Search the forums             Search in:
News & Events: Herp Photo of the Day: Kingsnake . . . . . . . . . .  Herp Photo of the Day: Garter Snake . . . . . . . . . .  Calusa Herp Society Meeting - Mar 06, 2025 . . . . . . . . . .  St. Louis Herpetological Society - Mar 09, 2025 . . . . . . . . . .  Colorado Herp Society Meeting - Mar 15, 2025 . . . . . . . . . .  Chicago Herpetological Society Meeting - Mar 16, 2025 . . . . . . . . . .  San Diego Herp Society Meeting - Mar 18, 2025 . . . . . . . . . .  Suncoast Herp Society Meeting - Mar 22, 2025 . . . . . . . . . .  DFW Herp Society Meeting - Mar 22, 2025 . . . . . . . . . .  Bay Area Herpetological Society Meeting - Mar 28, 2025 . . . . . . . . . .  Tucson Herpetological Society Meeting - Mar 31, 2025 . . . . . . . . . .  Greater Cincinnati Herp Society Meeting - Apr 02, 2025 . . . . . . . . . . 

Re: Good Q....


[ Follow Ups ] [ Post Followup ] [ The Taxonomy Forum ]

Posted by Langaha on October 17, 2002 at 17:01:02:

In Reply to: Re: Good Q.... posted by troy h on October 17, 2002 at 16:18:38:

Like most everyone I speak with, I refuse to use their taxonomic revision. So how about this question: what would you call a population that has a distinctive color pattern (i.e., a traditional subspecies), where mtDNA clearly illustrates population structure (i.e., consisting of this clade with statistical support, but only a 1,2, or 3 base pair difference from its closest related clade), yet this population is not reciprocally monophyletic because it exchanges genes with its surrounding populations (consisting of intergrades)? The DNA and morphology illustrate that this population is not an arbitrary human construct, but it illustrates that this population has an evolutionary history. A species or subspecies?

:: but the alternative is not as firmly grounded as one might like - what do we call the blasted things???

:
:how 'bout stay conservative and use Elaphe obsoleta, not worry about "subspecies" (which most systematists don't, anyway) and with the consensus of systematists not accepting the name change, force burbink, et al to provide better data. i just don't see any logic behind using an obviously "bad" name for a period of time until someone else comes along and changes it back.

:troy





Follow Ups:




[ Follow Ups ] [ The Taxonomy Forum ]