Re: Pailsus pailsei - the "Underfed King Brown" resurrected!!!

Posted by BGF on March 25, 2002 at 19:47:15:

In Reply to: Pailsus pailsei - the "Underfed King Brown" resurrected!!! posted by Raymond Hoser on March 25, 2002 at 19:01:42:

Raymond,

first off I am not trying to start a flame war. That said, the the point of all the many emails on this very tired subject wasn't whether or not there are undescribed Australian snakes (which there certainly are) but rather whether or not you proved they were different.

Passing the bloody obvious test is a good start but it does not make a species description.

I have personally examined a number of the 'false-king browns' (a dreadful common name by the way that Sutherland begged to have changed) and they certainly appear to be a different beastie.

However, they do not appear to be anymore distinct from a mulga than a butler's is. The venom studies (to be published shortly) supports its inclusion in the same genus as P. australis. Ditto for the Irian Jaya types.

Regards
BGF

PS the picture of the well fed brown snake you posted is actually a death adder. You might want to change that.

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: Raymond, : first off I am not trying to start a flame war. That said, the the point of all the many emails on this very tired subject wasn't whether or not there are undescribed Australian snakes (which there certainly are) but rather whether or not you proved they were different. : Passing the bloody obvious test is a good start but it does not make a species description. : I have personally examined a number of the 'false-king browns' (a dreadful common name by the way that Sutherland begged to have changed) and they certainly appear to be a different beastie. : However, they do not appear to be anymore distinct from a mulga than a butler's is. The venom studies (to be published shortly) supports its inclusion in the same genus as P. australis. Ditto for the Irian Jaya types. : Regards : BGF : PS the picture of the well fed brown snake you posted is actually a death adder. You might want to change that.

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