Jerry F. --I would be happy if you answered my question instead....

Posted by J.H. on March 16, 2002 at 06:07:28:

In Reply to: Re: Lampropeltis t. "temporalis".....valid designation or not??? posted by Jerry Feldner on March 11, 2002 at 06:57:13:

of just repeating what others have all ready documented. Offcouse most hobbyist who keep "temporalis" know it is not currenetly accepted especially after the paper by Conant in 94.That is not what I asked. I asked for opinions on what current hobbyist think it is. Now let me repeat that for you in case you would like to comment. Do you feel it is a cross between scarlets and eastern kings or feel it is a population of larger scarlets? It is a complex subject and one that I like discussion. I personally feel that the crosses are the NJ AND DELEWARE POPULATIONSS AND THE ONES FOUND FROM Southern Maryland to Tyrrell County NC are variations of elaipasoides. Now Jerry do you think you could give an opinion instead of just pointing out what other herptologist and hobbyist have accepted??

: It seems that you are not going to be happy until somebody tells you that, yes, temporalis is a valid designation. I am not a milksnake expert but it seems to me that the taxonomists have determined that temporalis is bogus. They don't have to say why this obsession with the "coastal plains milk" is bogus, they just have to name everyting in its "range" something different. L. triangulum is a difficult species and it probably has several occult spp within the commonly accepted ssp. As of now, no authority accepts temporalis as a legitimate name. See the link below

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: of just repeating what others have all ready documented. Offcouse most hobbyist who keep "temporalis" know it is not currenetly accepted especially after the paper by Conant in 94.That is not what I asked. I asked for opinions on what current hobbyist think it is. Now let me repeat that for you in case you would like to comment. Do you feel it is a cross between scarlets and eastern kings or feel it is a population of larger scarlets? It is a complex subject and one that I like discussion. I personally feel that the crosses are the NJ AND DELEWARE POPULATIONSS AND THE ONES FOUND FROM Southern Maryland to Tyrrell County NC are variations of elaipasoides. Now Jerry do you think you could give an opinion instead of just pointing out what other herptologist and hobbyist have accepted?? : : It seems that you are not going to be happy until somebody tells you that, yes, temporalis is a valid designation. I am not a milksnake expert but it seems to me that the taxonomists have determined that temporalis is bogus. They don't have to say why this obsession with the "coastal plains milk" is bogus, they just have to name everyting in its "range" something different. L. triangulum is a difficult species and it probably has several occult spp within the commonly accepted ssp. As of now, no authority accepts temporalis as a legitimate name. See the link below

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