Re: Hey.. I want to find a Kingsnake in oregon....

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Posted by Richard F. Hoyer on May 11, 2002 at 12:35:51:

In Reply to: Re: Hey.. I want to find a Kingsnake in oregon.... posted by Bill Myers on May 10, 2002 at 16:45:11:

Bill:
As you are aware, there are four species of snakes listed as 'protected' in Oregon. None of these species had been studied in the state and thus I questioned how ODFW assessed the status of such species and determined that their populations were in need of protection. The three species found in the western part of the state were the sharptail and the two kingsnakes and thus my original request to record data on all three.

I was especially insensed by the ODFW status account of the sharptail in which the agency claimed the species was "rare and declining" in the Willamette Valley and for which I knew there was no data to support such a bogus claim. Thus my initial concentration on that species. Just after a year or so, I realized that there was no way I could tackle three species at once and thus dropped any thoughts of making efforts towards collecting data on the kingsnakes.

Now after four years of being involved with just the Sharp-tailed Snake, it is very clear that ODFW has been using unprofessional and unethical anecdotal processes in which to evaluate, review, and manage some non-game species of wildlife. I am in the beginning stages of trying to urge the agency to discard their present process of using anecdotal information (impressions, opinions, perceptions, etc.) and substitute accepted methods of science, wildlife management and ecology to assess the status of non-game wildlife.

R. F. Hoyer
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: Hello Richard and welcome back! Please advise us on how your trip went w/the sharptails - as ya may know; soon as I saw Brad's post on Field Collecting, I requested he contact ya - lol..little did I know, but should have suspected you'd be standing next to him when he photo'd the sharptails. I didn't know you had an interest in the Oregon kings - by all means(!) if you ever have the time, herpetology could only benefit by a study done by you on them!!
: Bill

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: Bill: : As you are aware, there are four species of snakes listed as 'protected' in Oregon. None of these species had been studied in the state and thus I questioned how ODFW assessed the status of such species and determined that their populations were in need of protection. The three species found in the western part of the state were the sharptail and the two kingsnakes and thus my original request to record data on all three. : I was especially insensed by the ODFW status account of the sharptail in which the agency claimed the species was "rare and declining" in the Willamette Valley and for which I knew there was no data to support such a bogus claim. Thus my initial concentration on that species. Just after a year or so, I realized that there was no way I could tackle three species at once and thus dropped any thoughts of making efforts towards collecting data on the kingsnakes. : Now after four years of being involved with just the Sharp-tailed Snake, it is very clear that ODFW has been using unprofessional and unethical anecdotal processes in which to evaluate, review, and manage some non-game species of wildlife. I am in the beginning stages of trying to urge the agency to discard their present process of using anecdotal information (impressions, opinions, perceptions, etc.) and substitute accepted methods of science, wildlife management and ecology to assess the status of non-game wildlife. : R. F. Hoyer : ================================================== : : : Hello Richard and welcome back! Please advise us on how your trip went w/the sharptails - as ya may know; soon as I saw Brad's post on Field Collecting, I requested he contact ya - lol..little did I know, but should have suspected you'd be standing next to him when he photo'd the sharptails. I didn't know you had an interest in the Oregon kings - by all means(!) if you ever have the time, herpetology could only benefit by a study done by you on them!! : : Bill

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