I caught a gigantic female Hypo N. s. pleuralis yesterday in South Carolina. She is about 36" long and gorgeous. Unfortunately, Kingsnake won't allow me to post pictures of her. I was in violation of the TOS for even trying to post them. I'm guessing this is because they are hosted by a site that Kingsnake has shown itself to be VERY threatened by. Anyways, if you're interested in seeing pictures of her, e-mail me for the link.