I knew those things looked familiar!! Marcia and I have the same book I am pretty sure, so I knew I had seen them somewhere, but japulara just popped in my head for some reason. Probably because people confuse the japulara's with MHD's frequently. But you're right, I do remember seing calotes emma in that book and remember they looked kinda familiar to the MHD's. Thanks for the help on clearing that up for us!!