It's a catch 22...(more)

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Posted by Muffin's Mom on May 17, 2001 at 07:55:14:

In Reply to: Heya' Babyherp posted by KB on May 16, 2001 at 21:33:58:

You know, it's too bad there isn't some way to get the positive side of out there. You know, an arcticle on responsible exotic pet owners...but if something like that was to be printed in a local or national paper, it could cause alot of " irresponisble" buying of herps and other exotics...people seem to think that owning a lizard or bird is easy ( I don't own birds and never will...), you just throw some food and water in there and call it good. They require so much of our time and care, personally, my horse was easier to take care of...lol...I honestly feel it should start at the petstore, since that's where so many people buy thier anmials. They need to educate the potential buyer correctly, then there should be better laws to protect animals from abuse...I would gladly pay a fee to register my four lizards ( making this mandantory at time of purchase as well. ), they are well worth the time and money I put into them ( and each is a special memeber of the family ). I live in an area where most animals are required to have some sort of documentation ( liscense, brands, etc. ) I don't know, it seems like one huge mess that needs to be unraveled...*sigh*

: I will admit I think my initial post was a bit more alarmist than it should have been. I had just woke up from a nap to read that as the first letter in my e-mail. To say I was shocked, dissapointed, and outraged is an understatment. It is a little early to be completly worried, but I would like everyone to be aware of a potential problem down the road. If I learn more, I will certainly keep you informed.

: I have to say I don't have any permits -- as in my state none are required for the current species I have. However sometime in the future I do hope to breed flying squirrels and you can be certain I will obtain the proper permits issued by the state and federal government.

: There are far more responsible wildlife keepers than there are irresponsible. However, the media sensationalism and the fact zoos probably deal mostly with the bad owners puts things out of perspective. As to what you mean by illegal wildlife I am not certain. There are very few people who deal with animals illegal at the federal level. It requires numerous licenses to acquire endangered animals, etc, etc. States and other communities can impose their own regulation as well.

: However, if you read more of the article. (http://aza.org/Communique/01-05/feature.pdf) it does specifically mention green iguanas as well as parrots.

: I am unaware as to all they consider exotic. I am curious if they mean things such as the many miscellameous exotic mice (these are illegal in California) and such, or just larger dangerous animals? Exotic is such a broad term that any bill needs to be carefully worded. I wish I could get ahold of the actual document. The letter I recieved in my e-mail is only a paraphrasing, and I believe more can be gleamed from the precise document.

: It is good to discuss these various aspects so all are on common ground.

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Re: It's a catch 22...(more)...loop holes ...loop holes and terminology.. m chambers 05/17/01 (2)
- Re: list of NYC exotics banned.. BabyHerp 05/17/01 (1)
  - Jeez, the can't have any fun animals......... Nick 05/17/01 (0)

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: You know, it's too bad there isn't some way to get the positive side of out there. You know, an arcticle on responsible exotic pet owners...but if something like that was to be printed in a local or national paper, it could cause alot of " irresponisble" buying of herps and other exotics...people seem to think that owning a lizard or bird is easy ( I don't own birds and never will...), you just throw some food and water in there and call it good. They require so much of our time and care, personally, my horse was easier to take care of...lol...I honestly feel it should start at the petstore, since that's where so many people buy thier anmials. They need to educate the potential buyer correctly, then there should be better laws to protect animals from abuse...I would gladly pay a fee to register my four lizards ( making this mandantory at time of purchase as well. ), they are well worth the time and money I put into them ( and each is a special memeber of the family ). I live in an area where most animals are required to have some sort of documentation ( liscense, brands, etc. ) I don't know, it seems like one huge mess that needs to be unraveled...*sigh* : : I will admit I think my initial post was a bit more alarmist than it should have been. I had just woke up from a nap to read that as the first letter in my e-mail. To say I was shocked, dissapointed, and outraged is an understatment. It is a little early to be completly worried, but I would like everyone to be aware of a potential problem down the road. If I learn more, I will certainly keep you informed. : : I have to say I don't have any permits -- as in my state none are required for the current species I have. However sometime in the future I do hope to breed flying squirrels and you can be certain I will obtain the proper permits issued by the state and federal government. : : There are far more responsible wildlife keepers than there are irresponsible. However, the media sensationalism and the fact zoos probably deal mostly with the bad owners puts things out of perspective. As to what you mean by illegal wildlife I am not certain. There are very few people who deal with animals illegal at the federal level. It requires numerous licenses to acquire endangered animals, etc, etc. States and other communities can impose their own regulation as well. : : However, if you read more of the article. (<A HREF="http://aza.org/Communique/01-05/feature.pdf">http://aza.org/Communique/01-05/feature.pdf</a>) it does specifically mention green iguanas as well as parrots. : : I am unaware as to all they consider exotic. I am curious if they mean things such as the many miscellameous exotic mice (these are illegal in California) and such, or just larger dangerous animals? Exotic is such a broad term that any bill needs to be carefully worded. I wish I could get ahold of the actual document. The letter I recieved in my e-mail is only a paraphrasing, and I believe more can be gleamed from the precise document. : : It is good to discuss these various aspects so all are on common ground.

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