here is the antibacterial soap info
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Posted by meagan on March 17, 1999 at 15:37:49:
ok here is that info that i was telling you about. you have to scroll down alot becuase all i did was cut and paste the entire file including my email. i decided to leave all of the other info cuz i thought maybe some of it would interest you guys. the part you are looking for about the antibacterial soap is way at the bottom.
Hi Myig,
This Is an old listing from the IML, Please scroll down to the second to
last one titled "Safety Warning For Your Animals"
Make sure you read the whole letter as the part about the soap is at the
end.I myself do not know if it is actually true but i figure why take the
chance.
Windchyme
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Iguanas Digest
>To: iguanas-digest@legion.echonyc.com
>Date: Wednesday, February 17, 1999 11:55 PM
>Subject: Iguanas Digest V4 #1695
>
>
>>
>>Iguanas Digest Wednesday, February 17 1999 Volume 04 : Number
>1695
>>
>>
>>
>>Iguanas Mailing List Web Page: http://iml.retina.net
>>
>>Instructions on how to be removed are at the END of this
>>file. Direct any questions to gecko@echonyc.com.
>>
>>Subjects in this digest:
>> Re: RE: puddle water
>> Re: Iguanas as Prizes
>> Re: Emergency Vets on AP...
>> Re: Emergency Vets on AP...
>> Breeding: Surprise!
>> Re: Emergency Vets on AP...
>> Re: RE: puddle water: a little long
>> Re: RE: puddle water: a little long
>> Newcomer's Questions
>> re: Breeding: Surprise!
>> National Iguana Awareness Day
>> National Iguana Awareness Day
>> re: IT'S A GIRL!
>> Re: RE: puddle water: a little long
>> National Iguana Awareness Day -Reply
>> [none]
>> harley
>> Re:
>> Well, here goes...
>> Ig Whipped
>> Re:UVB- where is it generated?
>> Tv
>> Re: Puzzled??
>> Y2K problems
>> Re: Emergency Vets on AP...
>> Re: Emergency Vets on AP...
>> Re: Re:UVB- where is it generated?
>> Re: Y2K problems
>> Re: RE: puddle water: a little long
>> Re: Y2K problems
>> RE: puddle water
>> Re: safety warning for your animals (fwd)
>> Re: Well, here goes...
>>
>>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 09:55:15 -0800
>>From: "Melissa Kaplan"
>>Subject: Re: [iguanas] RE: puddle water
>>
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>>various other-animal parasites that may be brought to the surface or =
>>within tongue-reach of the iguana.
>>
>>Puddles on the drive way are of concern due to motor oil and other =
>>vehicular fluids that collecdt on the surface and float up when wet... =
>>This would be potentially lethally toxic rather than most likely =
>>treatable with parasiticides...
>>
>>- --
>>Melissa Kaplan
>>http://anapsid.org
>>
>>"Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed people can
>>change the world: indeed it's the only thing that ever has!"
>> - Margaret Mead
>>
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>>
>>Puddles on the drive way are of concern due to motor =
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>>------------------------------
>>
>>Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 12:59:40 EST
>>From: LWNDKST@aol.com
>>Subject: Re: [iguanas] Iguanas as Prizes
>>
>>In a message dated 2/17/99 4:50:00 AM Mountain Standard Time,
>>DEBORAH.WITKOWSKI@roche.com writes:
>>
>><< can't understand how they could give them away when
>> there is so much to learn about them and not like a dog or cat to keep.
>> I never did find out where this person won them from because she never
>> came back into the store. >>
>>
>>
>>I cant understand how any live animal could be given away as a "PRIZE" I
>find
>>this appalling!!! Just a note on your above statement. and I'm sure you
>>didnt mean dogs or cats are easy too keep either. Before taking in any
>animal
>>to your home and under your care please give consideration as to what is
>>required to care for it and what time and work might be involved as well
as
>>expense for the care of your new pet.
>>
>>just a thought,
>>
>>
>>Leah
>>
>>------------------------------
>>
>>Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 11:04:41 PST
>>From: "Dan Jacques"
>>Subject: Re: [iguanas] Emergency Vets on AP...
>>
>>I saw the same thing on tv last night. The vet was saying that the kid
>>took good care of the iguana, if thats so, why is the thing dieying at
>>such a young age? I know what most kids are like as I am one, 15 years
>>old. Most kids get an iguana, and then lose intrest in it after about a
>>month. they end up feeding the thing one or two things for the diet,
>>keep it in a little 30 gallon tank that is usually to cold. To tell ta
>>the truth it relly pisses me off when I see things like that. It gives
>>people like me who take care of there igs a bad name. another thing
>>about the show is, if they are such good vets on the show why don't they
>>go over the proper diet with the owner and I agree with Katie, wouldn't
>>he know how long they live?
>>
>> Thats just my opinion on the subject, hope to here from anybody else
>>who saw the show.
>> Dan & kazzy
>>
>>
>>>
>>>Animal Planet's "Emergency Vets" show had a beautiful, huge, 5 year old
>>>male iguana on... They diagnosed liver and kidney failure on the poor
>>guy
>>>and decided that, get this, he was dying of old age?
>>>
>>>Gee.. old age, eh? 5 year old ig... Hrm.
>>>
>>>They didn't take one second to say anything about diet or proper care
>>or
>>>anything of the like, just something to the effect of "These animals
>>are
>>>ill-suited for being kept in captivity". I'm guessing they had no clue
>>>what they were doing. :P
>>>
>>>-Katie, who's just a bit annoyed.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>______________________________________________________
>>Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
>>
>>------------------------------
>>
>>Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 12:19:23 -0700
>>From: Ann-Elizabeth Nash
>>Subject: Re: [iguanas] Emergency Vets on AP...
>>
>>Dan Jacques wrote:
>>>
>>> I saw the same thing on tv last night. The vet was saying that the kid
>>> took good care of the iguana, if thats so, why is the thing dieying at
>>> such a young age?
>>
>>I learned that the teen saved $$ from his paper route to buy the ig from
>>a bunch of bikers who had fed him lots of animal protein. The teen *was*
>>taking good care of the ig but it was already damaged from the previous
>>owners. The teen was very borken up about his new pet's death.
>>
>>- --Ae
>>
>> if they are such good vets on the show why don't they
>>> go over the proper diet with the owner and I agree with Katie, wouldn't
>>> he know how long they live?
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Thats just my opinion on the subject, hope to here from anybody else
>>> who saw the show.
>>> Dan & kazzy
>>>
>>> >
>>> >Animal Planet's "Emergency Vets" show had a beautiful, huge, 5 year old
>>> >male iguana on... They diagnosed liver and kidney failure on the poor
>>> guy
>>> >and decided that, get this, he was dying of old age?
>>> >
>>> >Gee.. old age, eh? 5 year old ig... Hrm.
>>> >
>>> >They didn't take one second to say anything about diet or proper care
>>> or
>>> >anything of the like, just something to the effect of "These animals
>>> are
>>> >ill-suited for being kept in captivity". I'm guessing they had no clue
>>> >what they were doing. :P
>>> >
>>> >-Katie, who's just a bit annoyed.
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>>> ______________________________________________________
>>> Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
>>
>>------------------------------
>>
>>Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 14:20:21 -0500 (EST)
>>From: Catherine E Rigby
>>Subject: [iguanas] Breeding: Surprise!
>>
>>We got a helluva wake up this morning... Lucy laid all her eggs!
>>
>>Detaisl and pix at...
>>http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/9008/lucy/lucyegg.htm
>>Enjoy!
>>Cat :)
>>
>>------------------------------
>>
>>Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 11:34:57 PST
>>From: augarda@lanecc.edu
>>Subject: Re: [iguanas] Emergency Vets on AP...
>>
>>ill-suited for being kept in captivity...I saw the same seqment..the vet
>>said they are becoming extinct due to captivity..it was a beautiful
>>animal..about the same size and color as our 4 yr old male..sad
>>
>>------------------------------
>>
>>Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 14:29:36 EST
>>From: TDaxsDad@aol.com
>>Subject: Re: [iguanas] RE: puddle water: a little long
>>
>>I have had this discussion with several of the herpetologists at the zoo.
I
>>plan on building a very large outside enclosure this year. I have already
>>started laying in supplies for it. One of the special things will be a
very
>>large man made running stream. I was worried about setting up some kind of
>>filtering system. A member of the turtle list sent me very good
>instructions
>>on building an inexpensive filter. No matter how hard though you try the
>water
>>will never be really clean. The herpers at the zoo reminded me that the
>water
>>wild igs normally use for thirst come from their foods and from licking
dew
>>and rain drops from leaves. They also reminded me that in the wild many
>>animals use streams and rivers to get rid of body wastes, clean animal
>kills,
>>ect, ect. So the water in the wild is not really clean water either. So
now
>>when it comes to Dax taking a drink out of yard water I let it go, since I
>>know no pesticide or any type of weed killer is used in my yard. Pothole
>and
>>drive way water is different though since there are chemicals used in the
>tar
>>or blacktopping used on streets and driveways that are poison. I know we
>see
>>birds and other local wild life drinking from these types of standing
water
>>but, these are local to our areas. How many generations have come and gone
>and
>>maybe the local wild life have built up immunities to some of these
toxins,
>>just like roaches who build up tolerances to those types of poisons. So in
>as
>>much as yard water if you know your yard is clean then no worries but,
>pothole
>>and driveway water is a no-no.
>> Rich
>>
>>------------------------------
>>
>>Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 13:41:40 -0600 (CST)
>>From: Natalie Rigertas
>>Subject: Re: [iguanas] RE: puddle water: a little long
>>
>>*snip*
>>
>>
>>> when it comes to Dax taking a drink out of yard water I let it go, since
>I
>>> know no pesticide or any type of weed killer is used in my yard. Pothole
>and
>>
>>
>>But what about your neighbors? If any of your neighbors use pesticides or
>>herbicides, there is an extremely high chance that your yard is not free
>>of them, be cause of water run off and the chemicals floating over. Also,
>>you need to consider stuff like the community spraying for mosquitoes. I
>>just feel that in an urban or suburban environment, you are not going to
>>be able to be completely free of theswe chemical until *everyone* stops
>>using them.
>>
>>
>>natalie
>>
>>------------------------------
>>
>>Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 14:02:18 -0600
>>From: "Nick"
>>Subject: [iguanas] Newcomer's Questions
>>
>>Hi all,
>>
>>I recently adopted a 6 year old male iguana. His name is Bailey and he is
>>adorable. From what I gather he is a little small for his age though,
only
>>4.5 ft. STL. He is very tame, but has his mood swings. He loves to sit
on
>>the couch and watch TV with me. He is the first Iguana I have owned
>>personally but I have two friends, both with older female igs, 7 and 8 yrs
>>old if I remeber right. They have been giving me help with Bailey. He is
>>in good health and is eating well, although his diet consists of mainly
his
>>dry pet store food. There isn't a reptile vet where I live so I haven't
>had
>>him in for a checkup, yet.
>>
>>I just have a few questions maybe some of you can answer. First off, is
>the
>>dry food bad for him. It's not all he eats but it is mainly. I have been
>>trying to get him off of it, but he won't eat anyhting else unless I put
>>that with it. He also won't eat vegetables with his vitamin and calcium
>>supplements on them. I have to put that on his dry food. I offer him
alot
>>of vegetables and friuts but he always picks out the green beans, lettuce,
>>bananas and strawberries and leaves the rest (He loves bananas, it's the
>>only thing he'll eat out of my hand). Will he eat what I give him if he
>>get's hungry enough, or is it a bad idea for him to go without eating for
a
>>while? (He eats every day right now, and he goes poop every day too).
>>
>>Ok second of all, I've heard and read stories of male igs attacking
>>mestruating female humans during thier breeding season. I live with my
>>girlfriend and she is scared he might decide to do this. So I let him out
>>with me when she's at class or work. I feel bad because he loves roaming
>>around and climbing and doens't seem happy when he has to back in his
cage.
>>Is this just a rumor or has it actually happened or will he possibly do
>>this???
>>
>>Last but not least, does anyone have any suggestions on how to get him to
>>sit still so I can trim his claws?? He hates having his little feet
>>handled.
>>
>>Sorry for the long post, any input you have would be much appreciated
>>
>>
>>Nick Anderson, and Bailey
>>
>>------------------------------
>>
>>Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 12:17:44 PST
>>From: augarda@lanecc.edu
>>Subject: re: [iguanas] Breeding: Surprise!
>>
>>about for the lastþoh, 2 years? (Thank you, thank you Lucy!) I've
>>collected
>> quite a bit of material, but if anyone would like to send anything
>>for potential
>> inclusion, let me know! I can take photos or video. ..What sort of
>>stuff are you looking for Cat?..will just be audio (cd)?..enjoyed your egg
>>laying story..Lucy is so cute..Ann
>>
>>------------------------------
>>
>>Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 15:07:40 -0500 (EST)
>>From: "LINDA L. DE LEON"
>>Subject: [iguanas] National Iguana Awareness Day
>>
>>Hi, my name is Linda and I am the National Iguana Awareness Day
>>Coordinator for the state of Michigan.
>>
>>NIAD is a wonderful program, with a mission to inform everyone across the
>>US about the care needs that iguanas have. To learn more, go to:
>>http://www.niad.org/national/index.html
>>
>>As Michigan's coordinator, I need to start recruiting people to volunteer.
>>I urge all iguana loving Michigan residents to take part in this all
>>important mission. I also urge other state residents to get involved
>>locally as well. This program is National, so contact your state's
>>coordinator. If your state doesn't have one, be one yourself and make
>>this program sucessful.
>>
>>Please, make a difference and save iguanas everywhere.
>>
>>National Iguana Awareness Day, Sept 11, 1999
>>http://www.niad.org/national/index.html
>>
>>Sincerely, Linda
>>
>>------------------------------
>>
>>Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 15:07:40 -0500 (EST)
>>From: "LINDA L. DE LEON"
>>Subject: [iguanas] National Iguana Awareness Day
>>
>>Hi, my name is Linda and I am the National Iguana Awareness Day
>>Coordinator for the state of Michigan.
>>
>>NIAD is a wonderful program, with a mission to inform everyone across the
>>US about the care needs that iguanas have. To learn more, go to:
>>http://www.niad.org/national/index.html
>>
>>As Michigan's coordinator, I need to start recruiting people to volunteer.
>>I urge all iguana loving Michigan residents to take part in this all
>>important mission. I also urge other state residents to get involved
>>locally as well. This program is National, so contact your state's
>>coordinator. If your state doesn't have one, be one yourself and make
>>this program sucessful.
>>
>>Please, make a difference and save iguanas everywhere.
>>
>>National Iguana Awareness Day, Sept 11, 1999
>>http://www.niad.org/national/index.html
>>
>>Sincerely, Linda
>>
>>------------------------------
>>
>>Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 12:19:34 PST
>>From: augarda@lanecc.edu
>>Subject: re: [iguanas] IT'S A GIRL!
>>
>>The vet was hesitant to do a blood test, ..I had the same experience over
>>the weekend at our vet..my ig has the beginnings of mouth rot..sigh..10
>>days of injections by us..I didn't realize a blood test could show liver
>>and kidney problems
>>
>>------------------------------
>>
>>Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 15:15:11 EST
>>From: TDaxsDad@aol.com
>>Subject: Re: [iguanas] RE: puddle water: a little long
>>
>>In a message dated 2/17/99 1:42:32 PM Central Standard Time,
>>rigertas@abel.math.luc.edu writes:
>>
>>> But what about your neighbors? If any of your neighbors use pesticides
>or
>>> herbicides, there is an extremely high chance that your yard is not free
>>> of them, be cause of water run off and the chemicals floating over.
>Also,
>>> you need to consider stuff like the community spraying for mosquitoes.
I
>>> just feel that in an urban or suburban environment, you are not going
to
>>> be able to be completely free of these chemical until *everyone* stops
>>> using them.
>>>
>>>
>>> Natalie
>>I should have been more in depth but I didn't want to have my post run
>longer
>>then one of my Igpunzel stories ;-) All the yards in my subdivision slope
>>downward and are equipped with underground drainage systems so there is
>>virtually no run off from other yards. Also anther good point spraying for
>>skitters, we have an ordnance that prohibits air spraying. We only allow
>>surface spaying for larva and the majority of that is done at the park
>where
>>the biggest breeding goes on. We also have a great Community Service
>Officer
>>that starts in the spring and runs the entire town just looking for areas
>of
>>standing water like old tires and removing them before they can be used
for
>>breeding. Most of the people are in agreement that organic weed control is
>the
>>best. You will never see one of those commercial weeders like "Evergreen"
>in
>>our subdivision. So when I say my yard is clean I can believe it.
>> Rich
>>
>>------------------------------
>>
>>Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 14:27:19 -0600
>>From: "Deborah Rowe"
>>Subject: [iguanas] National Iguana Awareness Day -Reply
>>
>>I live in Illinois and i am having a hard time finding any kind of
>>groups for igs here at all *sad look*
>>
>>deb and benny her bud
>>
>>>>> "LINDA L. DE LEON" 02/17/99 02:07pm >>>
>>Hi, my name is Linda and I am the National Iguana Awareness Day
>>Coordinator for the state of Michigan.
>>
>>NIAD is a wonderful program, with a mission to inform everyone across
>>the
>>US about the care needs that iguanas have. To learn more, go to:
>>http://www.niad.org/national/index.html
>>
>>As Michigan's coordinator, I need to start recruiting people to
>>volunteer.
>>I urge all iguana loving Michigan residents to take part in this all
>>important mission. I also urge other state residents to get involved
>>locally as well. This program is National, so contact your state's
>>coordinator. If your state doesn't have one, be one yourself and make
>>this program sucessful.
>>
>>Please, make a difference and save iguanas everywhere.
>>
>>National Iguana Awareness Day, Sept 11, 1999
>>http://www.niad.org/national/index.html
>>
>>Sincerely, Linda
>>
>>------------------------------
>>
>>Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 12:30:20 -0800 (PST)
>>From: Andrew Ward
>>Subject: [none]
>>
>>Hi
>>
>>Im a knew subscriber but my iguana, Bud,lives on my sun porch. He
>>loves to climb up the back of the chimney and rest. But there is no
>>light up there. He has plenty of light in other places but he likes
>>the ledge on the top of the chimney. There is no way to put a light up
>>there. What should I do?
>>_________________________________________________________
>>DO YOU YAHOO!?
>>Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
>>
>>------------------------------
>>
>>Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 11:46 -0500 (EST)
>>From: conne009%Elicpse@ccmail.duke.edu
>>Subject: [iguanas] harley
>>
>>I've gotta quit reading the IML at work. My co-workers wondered why I
>>started crying for no reason while I was "working" on my computer.
>>The news about Harley was a heartbreaker. I told them my allergies
>>were acting up.
>>
>>------------------------------
>>
>>Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 15:52:18 -0500
>>From: Tricia
>>Subject: [iguanas] Re:
>>
>>>Im a knew subscriber but my iguana, Bud,lives on my sun porch. He
>>>loves to climb up the back of the chimney and rest. But there is no
>>>light up there. He has plenty of light in other places but he likes
>>>the ledge on the top of the chimney. There is no way to put a light up
>>>there. What should I do?
>>
>> This wont be that helpful, because I dont know the name of the product
>>... Im looking for the name of it myself ... but I've seen ads on TV
>>recently (but not recently enough to remember the name!) for a product
that
>>you can stick on the wall and then simply stick window blinds, or
paintings
>>... or maybe UVB flourescent light fixtures to ... it's made for walls
that
>>are hard to drill into ... like thick concrete apt walls .. or maybe the
>>tops of chimneys? :)
>>
>> I really dont know if this product would be strong enough to use ...
but
>>it might be worth a shot. Does anyone know what Im talking about? :)
>>
>> Bye for now!
>>
>> Tricia mailto:dragon@icomm.ca ICQ# 23380040
>>***********************************************************************
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>>*Water Dragon FAQ http://www.icomm.ca/dragon/faq.htm *
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>>***********************************************************************
>>
>>
>>------------------------------
>>
>>Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 16:12:47 -0500
>>From: "flesh@world.std.com"
>>Subject: [iguanas] Well, here goes...
>>
>>I have been a lurker on this list on and off for 4 years now. Over that
>period of time I have read the type of message I am about to write once to
>many. I promised myself that I would never have to do it, and I would do
>everything in my power to prevent the situation from occurring in the first
>place. As evidence of this message, I didn't quite make it.
>>
>>It is about the baby in my litter of pets, although he is only a baby in
>pecking order now. I share my home with a variety of fish, a 17-year-old
>tarantula, a 6-year-old 7-foot long boa constrictor and a 4-year-old male
>Iguana named Cecil. Cecil is our baby boy. Ever since I brought him home
and
>held him in my hand I have seen our Cecil transformed before our eyes -
from
>an inquisitive but timid juvenile that he was to an aggressive and dominant
>male adult he is now.
>>
>>My wife and I have worked with him since we brought him home to be as
>social an animal as he would allow, but looking back on it now, maybe it
>wasn't in the cards from the start. Even as a baby he would much rather run
>and hide than be near us. Whenever he was given free roam, he would almost
>always spend his time hiding somewhere. When he went through his first
>obvious breeding season, he would charge from across the room and bite
>unprovoked. This eventually passed and be became more timid after the
season
>went away. However, he still was a very scared lizard no matter how much we
>worked with him.
>>
>>He went into his second breeding season late last June. I remember
exactly,
>because he was just starting to trust me enough to sit with me on the couch
>as he sun bathed. Almost over night he turned aggressive to the point where
>we couldn't let him out of his enclosure anymore without being constantly
>aware of where he was. It has only gotten worse since then.
>>
>>While we continued to work with him, he continued to be as obnoxious as
>ever. To the point where we could not enter his tank to clean it properly
>until the early hours of the morning when he was asleep. Daytime
interaction
>was spent talking, carefully hand feeding, and occasional cleaning through
>cracks in the enclosure when he would let us near. Last week while cleaning
>his enclosure misjudged how far he was from me and I got bit rather badly.
>It could have been worse if I hadn't seen him coming, but regardless I
>walked away a trip to the ER.
>>
>>So here I am doing something I though I would never do. Something I never
>thought I would be able to do, but I have to. Now I have to give my baby
>away. I have to do it for my wife and new human baby on the way later this
>year. This is the single hardest thing I have ever had to do in my life,
but
>after 4 years of trying to make it work, I think it is time to move on for
>everyone's sake. Cecil included. He can't be very happy in the situation he
>is in, and no matter how much we try it only seems to get worse.
>>
>>I needed to get all that out there so that you would know how serious I am
>taking this and how hard this is going to be. My real goal here is to reach
>as many people as possible out there that might be able to help Cecil. All
I
>ask is someplace where he can live out his life as well cared for and
>content as possible. Any leads on shelters or serious potential homes in
the
>Central Massachusetts or New England area would be greatly appreciated.
>>
>>I can't stress enough how much I need to know that he is going to be taken
>good care of. I understand that placing an Iguana is hard enough never mind
>an aggressive male. I also understand that I put him in this position, not
>the other way around. None of this is his fault. He is still my baby and I
>owe him at least a try.
>>
>>Cecil is approximately 4-5 years old. S/V he is about 14 inches and has a
>full beautiful tail. His legs and belly are almost entirely orange. He
>appears to be in great health, but I admit that he is in dire need of
>exercise. Like I explained, because of his behavior I have not been able to
>free roam him often enough.
>>
>>I can't explain to you how difficult this is for us. I thank any responses
>in advance. Please respond via direct email. My account where I receive the
>digests is at work, and because of my hand I am home this week.
>>
>>Thank you for your time,
>>- -henry
>>
>>Henry & Dana Knight
>>Email: flesh@world.std.com
>>
>>
>>
>>------------------------------
>>
>>Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 16:17:37 EST
>>From: TDaxsDad@aol.com
>>Subject: [iguanas] Ig Whipped
>>
>>You know that your Ig whipped when: You feel like death warmed over do to
>this
>>new Flu strain and yet you set your alarm to go off every 2 hours so your
>ig
>>doesn't miss any of your bonding time.
>> Rich
>>Dax (Yuck dad, I thought I sprayed when I sneezed)
>>
>>------------------------------
>>
>>Date: 17 Feb 1999 13:50:20 -0600
>>From: VALERIE.J.KOHLER@monsanto.com
>>Subject: [iguanas] Re:UVB- where is it generated?
>>
>>Melissa quoted:
>>Most fluorescents contain mercury vapor. When this is 'exicted' by the
>>energy supplied to the tube, the mercury atoms emit UV radiation (> 380
>>nm). This UV radiation strikes the coating on the inside of the
>>fluorescent tube and is converted to visible light (380-700 nm). >quote>
>>
>>So is it safe to assume that the UVB is transmitted through glass? And to
>take
>>it one step further, can I assume that it is filtered to some degree by
>passing
>>through the glass of the fluorescent tube? If so, do you (or anyone else)
>know
>>what percentage of UVB is transmitted through the glass once it is
>>created/converted?
>>
>>Valerie
>>
>>------------------------------
>>
>>Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 14:12:42 -0600
>>From: Reuben Phelps
>>Subject: [iguanas] Tv
>>
>>Hey all,
>>Do any of you have problems with your igs being couch potatoes? Tigger
>>watches the television, and gets mad if I go to bed early. I've had to
>>move his basking spot to the shelf where he gets the best view of the tv
>>even. I thought he was in need of a playmate so I went and picked up a
>>2 month old ig, no name yet, and I think Tigger is trying to teach the
>>youngster about the tv because now I find the two of them laying on the
>>shelf staring at the tv. I ask them if they want a beer or something,
>>and I'm sure if given the chance they could handle the remote. Does
>>anyone else have this problem? Or am I alone? They get plenty of
>>attention and playtime, but stare for countless hours at the tv. It's
>>strange.
>>Thanks
>>Jessilyn
>>
>>------------------------------
>>
>>Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 04:45:10 -0700
>>From: Christi McKinley
>>Subject: Re: [iguanas] Puzzled??
>>
>>I use some repti-carpet stuff, because when it gets dirty I can just
>>throw it in the washer. At first I tried newspaper but it was really
>>noisy when Einstein ran around in the morning. This stuff is pretty
>>soft also so he doesn't get a sore tummy from laying on it. I do use
>>a hide box in his cage, he only goes in it when he wants to cool off
>>or take a nap. If he's in his hide box I do my best to not disturb
>>him so he has a place that he feels safe, I think that's really
>>important. From his cage he can look out the window also, he likes to
>>watch what is going on outside!
>>
>>Christi & Einstein
>>
>>> Witkowski, Deborah {PACK~Nutley} wrote:
>>>
>>> What do people use on the bottom of the cages or aquarium for the
>>> iguanas? I have been reading all different stories on what is good
>>> and what isn't and every person I talk to tells me something
>>> different. When I set up Iggie's cage I want to make sure it is set
>>> up properly. Also, does anyone use a hide box? Now I read that
>>> they shouldn't be put in the cage because they may hide all day.
>>> Also, should they have something by their cage to entertain them. I
>>> was going to put some fish next to Iggie's cage to keep him occupied
>>> all day watching them swim around. I think the more I read the more
>>> confused I get. As soon as I think I got it under control, I read
>>> something that isn't right. Pls help!
>>>
>>> Debbie and Iggie-Guana
>>>
>>> Deborah Witkowski
>>> Tablet/Capsule Focus Factory
>>> Ext. 5-6952, Fax 5-6037
>>
>>------------------------------
>>
>>Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 15:09:14 PST
>>From: augarda@lanecc.edu
>>Subject: [iguanas] Y2K problems
>>
>>Am curious to know if people are thinking about this in regard to our igs.
>>I feel the weak link will be the power companies and this leaves us all
>>with a huge problem on how to keep our igs warm during this time. I
>>remember the old orange rubber hot water bottles (we had one when I was
>>growing up)..they have a plastfic screw on gizmo to hold the water
>>in..would have to heat water and pour it in.(if they could still be
>>found)..any other ideas?..Ann
>>
>>------------------------------
>>
>>Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 04:59:17 -0700
>>From: Christi McKinley
>>Subject: Re: [iguanas] Emergency Vets on AP...
>>
>>Do you know what hospital or clinic he works at? I'm in Denver and
>>would be very interested in taking Einstein to see him.
>>
>>Christi & Einstein
>>
>>Ann-Elizabeth Nash wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi--this episode has aired on AP several times. The DVM, Kevin
>>> Fitzgerald is very knowledgeable about herps. I spoke to him on the
>>> phone about the episode (he's in Denver, I'm in Boulder, CO) when it
>>> previously aired. The real issue is not with what he says but how the
>>> producers of the show cut the segment. I probably spoke to Fitzgerald
>>> for over an hour about herps in captivity and he is very caring about
>>> our pals. He's tried to get AP to do an entire segment on herps but they
>>> keep going for the cat & dog stuff.
>>>
>>> FYI, Fitzgerald has a Ph.D. in Zoology with specialization in herps, has
>>> done field studies in Mexico on igs and then became a DVM.
>>>
>>> --Ae
>>>
>>> Katie wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Animal Planet's "Emergency Vets" show had a beautiful, huge, 5 year
old
>>> > male iguana on... They diagnosed liver and kidney failure on the poor
>guy
>>> > and decided that, get this, he was dying of old age?
>>> >
>>> > Gee.. old age, eh? 5 year old ig... Hrm.
>>> >
>>> > They didn't take one second to say anything about diet or proper care
>or
>>> > anything of the like, just something to the effect of "These animals
>are
>>> > ill-suited for being kept in captivity". I'm guessing they had no
clue
>>> > what they were doing. :P
>>> >
>>> > -Katie, who's just a bit annoyed.
>>
>>------------------------------
>>
>>Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 16:06:44 -0800 (PST)
>>From: Alta Brewer
>>Subject: Re: [iguanas] Emergency Vets on AP...
>>
>>Christi wrote:
>>
>>>Do you know what hospital or clinic he works at? I'm in Denver and
>>>would be very interested in taking Einstein to see him.
>>
>>Alameda East, I think.
>>
>>Alta
>>
>>"If you don't want a 7 foot sofa, don't get one.
>>If you don't want a 6 foot iguana, don't get one.
>>Seems pretty simple to me..."
>> --Melissa Kaplan
>>
>>------------------------------
>>
>>Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 16:44:40 -0800
>>From: "Melissa Kaplan"
>>Subject: Re: [iguanas] Re:UVB- where is it generated?
>>
>>>So is it safe to assume that the UVB is transmitted through glass?
>>
>>Small amounts, yes, depending on the thickness of the glass. The glass
>>of a fluorescent tube is much thinner than window glass, aquarium glass,
>>even the plastic covers found on some fluorescent fixtures. That is why
>>you will see the use of such lights stipulating to NOT let it shine
>>through glass or plastic.
>>
>>
>>>it one step further, can I assume that it is filtered to some degree by
>>passing
>>>through the glass of the fluorescent tube? If so, do you (or anyone
>>else) know
>>>what percentage of UVB is transmitted through the glass once it is
>>>created/converted?
>>
>>
>>There is a table in one of the UV articles at my site that documents the
>>amount of UV filtered out by various substances.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>- --
>>Melissa Kaplan
>>http://anapsid.org
>>
>>"Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed people can
>>change the world: indeed it's the only thing that ever has!"
>> - Margaret Mead
>>
>>------------------------------
>>
>>Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 16:57:53 -0800
>>From: "Melissa Kaplan"
>>Subject: Re: [iguanas] Y2K problems
>>
>>>Am curious to know if people are thinking about this in regard to our
>>igs.
>>>I feel the weak link will be the power companies and this leaves us all
>>>with a huge problem on how to keep our igs warm during this time. I
>>>remember the old orange rubber hot water bottles (we had one when I
>>was
>>>growing up)..they have a plastfic screw on gizmo to hold the water
>>>in..would have to heat water and pour it in.(if they could still be
>>>found)..any other ideas?..Ann
>>
>>
>>Hot water bottles should still be easily found - I just bought one at
>>Walgreens to warm my bed a bit until I finally caved in and put the
>>electric blanket back on and cranked it up...
>>
>>The only problem is that you need to pour hot water in it...and if you
>>have no power, how are you going to heat the water to make it work...?
>>Have you read the Winter Advisory article at my site? It has some
>>suggestions for when the power goes out during storms and such...
>>
>>- --
>>Melissa Kaplan
>>http://anapsid.org
>>
>>"Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed people can
>>change the world: indeed it's the only thing that ever has!"
>> - Margaret Mead
>>
>>------------------------------
>>
>>Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 17:12:33 -0800
>>From: "Melissa Kaplan"
>>Subject: Re: [iguanas] RE: puddle water: a little long
>>
>>>will never be really clean. The herpers at the zoo reminded me that the
>>water
>>>wild igs normally use for thirst come from their foods and from licking
>>dew
>>>and rain drops from leaves. They also reminded me that in the wild many
>>>animals use streams and rivers to get rid of body wastes, clean animal
>>kills,
>>>ect, ect. So the water in the wild is not really clean water either.
>>
>>The herpers at the zoo are right, but they are missing the point that
>>the igs evolved there in that wild, co-evolving along with the other
>>animals and their myriad host of parasites, protozoan, bacteria and
>>fungal strains. That isn't the same as evolved here in North America,
>>or anywhere else igs are being sold and kept as pets outside their
>>native range. These are the reasons why it is dangerous to the
>>individual animal as well as to the wild populations of other animals
>>within a habitat when non-native species are released into an area, as
>>well as why it can be problematical to feed non-native predators
>>wild-caught prey animals to feed on...
>>
>>>or blacktopping used on streets and driveways that are poison. I know
>>we see
>>>birds and other local wild life drinking from these types of standing
>>water
>>>but, these are local to our areas.
>>
>>And there have been no studies to determine how the life span and health
>>of such animals vary from those who are drinking from other sources. On
>>the other hand, one can assume that those who had health problems failed
>>to reproduce as effectively as those better able to withstand the toxic
>>onslaught, and so those birds and mammals drinking from these puddles
>>are already selective for, er, puddledrinking hardiness.
>>
>>On the other hand (I am beginning to feel like Tevya, running out of
>>hands!), dogs have been pets for how long and they still aren't very
>>good at tolerating antifreeze...
>>
>>>How many generations have come and gone and
>>>maybe the local wild life have built up immunities to some of these
>>toxins,
>>>just like roaches who build up tolerances to those types of poisons.
>>
>>But we are seeing congenital problems, not the least of which is
>>estrogenizing hormones and male sterility/reduction in viable sperm
>>counts in ALL animals - humans, birds, mammals, etc. Of course, this
>>may mean that, like many fish and lizard cousins, humans may be on the
>>way to evolving into parthenogenesis as a reproductive strategy, which
>>may not be such a bad thing... :)
>>
>>>So in as
>>>much as yard water if you know your yard is clean then no worries but,
>>pothole
>>>and driveway water is a no-no.
>>
>>
>>Agreed, so long as the other discussions on adjacent spraying and
>>drainage is noted and taken into account.
>>
>>- --
>>Melissa Kaplan
>>http://anapsid.org
>>
>>"Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed people can
>>change the world: indeed it's the only thing that ever has!"
>> - Margaret Mead
>>
>>------------------------------
>>
>>Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 17:23:55 PST
>>From: augarda@lanecc.edu
>>Subject: Re: [iguanas] Y2K problems
>>
>>how are you going to heat the water to make it work...I was thinking about
>>a coleman stove or a gas barbeque..I'll check out your site
>>
>>------------------------------
>>
>>Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 18:25:05 -0800
>>From: "Anne Marsden"
>>Subject: [iguanas] RE: puddle water
>>
>>Hi Sam
>>>>>>>>
>>This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
>>
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>> charset="iso-8859-1"
>>Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
>>>>>>>>
>>
>>Could you turn off your MIME as the list doesn't understand it and
>>prints your posts 3 times, once in code? If you change it to post in
>>plain text/uuencode the digests will be much shorter? Tx.
>>
>>>>>>>
>>I remember the discussion we had a while back on igs eating dirt when =
>>they were outside, but what about puddle water? I ask because this =
>>weekend it was 70F here in Cheyenne so I took Aspen outside for some =
>>much needed natural sunlight. She walked to the edge of the driveway =
>>and licked the gross water that had been sitting in the pothole since =
>>the snow melted. I had seen her walking over there and grabbed her just
>>=
>>before she went in for another lick. I'm concerned about parasites. It
>>=
>>didn't make her sick but what are the chances that she was infected? =
>>Anybody have any thoughts?
>>Sam =20
>>>>>>>
>>
>>Call me an incurable optimist, but I don't think there are many tropical
>>reptile parasites in melted snow, even if it had been standing for a
>>while. Unless she has used it as a pooping spot in the past, of course,
>>but even then I doubt most tropically-adapted parasites would freeze for
>>long and stay viable. There's a higher likelihood of protozoa, but I
>>still think it's unlikely. As for bacteria, given what igs normally eat,
>>I think they are able to handle most of them. I would watch her for a
>>few days, and if she gets diarrhea, tell the vet what she's been doing.
>>If not, I wouldn't worry, ust get a fecal done at her regular annual
>>check-up.
>>
>>Anne M
>>
>>------------------------------
>>
>>Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 23:03:25 -0500
>>From: Tricia
>>Subject: Re: [iguanas] safety warning for your animals (fwd)
>>
>>Hi Lesley:
>>
>> Thank you for posting this. If these sponges are as potentially
>>dangerous as the letter you reposted says they are, then your posting it
>>was a very good thing. I passed the letter on to my waterdragon,
uromastyx
>>and turtle-l mailing lists and members of two of the lists have been
>>responding and saying thanks for the warning - some have even been using
>>the sponges, with no bad results so far ... but Im sure a lizard using
it's
>>water area, and a fish living in the potentially contaminated tank are
very
>>different.
>>
>>>I am new to the IML, really the whole compute/net thing, to be honest.
>>>I'll apologize now for any fauz pas/etiquette problems. I have been
>>>enjoying listening in on the lists participants for about a week now.
>When
>>>I read this though, I had to respond. I am in a reptile club in the Bay
>>>Area and would love to run this warning about this new sponge in our
>>>newsletter if you would let me. I too think this is a very important
>>>message to get out. Like me, not a lot of people are very knowledgable
of
>>>the web and it's many wonderful sites, so just in case, would like to
>share
>>>the info via snail mail. Please let me know if this is ok? I'd
>appreciate
>>>it.
>>>Lesley
>>>
>>>
>>>>Thought this might be of importance to some of you all out there. I konw
>I
>>>>have used these kinds of sponges. Fortunately I have not used this
>specific
>>>>one.
>>>>
>>>>BRad
>>>>Igor- Does this mean you humans were killing green stuff?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Grim Note
>>>>>On the issue of consumer protection and hazardous warnings, here's a
new
>>>>>one, I
>>>>>think. Those yellow sponges with the green plastic fibers on the back
>for
>>>>>scrubbing pots -- "Pot Scrubbers" -- should be kept far away from our
>>>>>birds,
>>>>>fish, reptiles, cats and dogs, hamsters and whatevers. Proctor &
Gamble,
>in
>>>>>its continuing search to make America look clean and smell great, has a
>new
>>>>>"improved" version of the sponge on the market that kills odor-causing
>>>>>fungi
>>>>>that get in the sponge after a few uses. They make a big deal out of
>this
>>>>>innovation on the outside packaging. A friend of mine used one of these
>>>>>sponges
>>>>>to clean the glass on a 200-gallon aquarium. The abrasive backs are
good
>>>>>for
>>>>>removing algae and smutz that collect on the inside of the tank. He
>>>>>refilled
>>>>>the tank and after the water had time to condition and rid itself of
>>>>>chlorine,
>>>>>he reintroduced his tropical fish collection of some 30 fish. Within
>five
>>>>>hours
>>>>>of putting the fish back in the tank, they were all dead! Some began to
>die
>>>>>after only 30 minutes. He removed the survivors to another tank but
they
>>>>>all
>>>>>died. Retracing his steps to clean the tank, the only thing that was
>>>>>different
>>>>>was using that new kind of sponge -- he'd used the regular old Pot
>>>>>Scrubbers
>>>>>for years. Lo and behold I discovered on the back of the packaging in
>about
>>>>>the
>>>>>finest print you could put on plastic a description of the fungicide in
>the
>>>>>sponge and the warning in tiny bold-face letters, "not for use in
>>>>>aquariums.
>>>>>keep away from other pets." Thanks for warning Proctor & Gamble. It
>seems
>>>>>the
>>>>>fungicide is a derivative of the systemic pesticide-herbicide, 2-4-D,
>more
>>>>>popularly known as Agent Orange, the chemical we sprayed all over
>Southeast
>>>>>Asian during the Vietnam War that many veterans and war refugees say
did
>>>>>them
>>>>>permanent damage to their lungs and nervous systems. The package
warning
>>>>>goes
>>>>>on to say they fungicide cannot be washed from the sponge even if it is
>>>>>placed
>>>>>in the dishwasher (in which case Agent Orange is now all over your
>dishes
>>>>>and
>>>>>drinking glasses). And, if you think its there to kill disease-causing
>>>>>bacteria
>>>>>like Salmonella from contaminated chicken meat, think again -- it's not
>and
>>>>>affective enough bactericide to kill those kind of bugs. I called P&G
to
>>>>>register a complaint and told them I'd never use their products again
>>>>>because I
>>>>>couldn't trust what they were putting in them. By the way, the same
>>>>>chemical
>>>>>in the sponge is used now in many of those popular anti-bacterial,
>>>>>anti-viral
>>>>>disinfectant liquid soaps and hand cleaners that are flooding the
>market.
>>>>>Don't
>>>>>buy that poison and warn your friends as well.
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>>A valid USDA number is required to sell exotic mammals in the US. Ask
>your
>>>>>seller for this number and verify it with USDA.
>>>>>
>>>>>Ask for and check references and remember:
>>>>>MAY THE BUYER BEWARE!
>>>
>>
>> Bye for now!
>>
>> Tricia mailto:dragon@icomm.ca ICQ# 23380040
>>***********************************************************************
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>>***********************************************************************
>>
>>
>>------------------------------
>>
>>Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 22:04:03 -0600
>>From: Erik Olsen and Winona Hansen-Olsen
>>Subject: Re: [iguanas] Well, here goes...
>>
>>I don't know if this reply will help at all as I am not able to take
>>Cecil nor offer any help in placing him in the NE area but I do think
>>that I understand what you must feel. Every day when I wake up my Ig
>>Eisa before work I realize just how lucky I am. He's friendly and only
>>bites when I feed him yellow squash by hand and don't pay attention to
>>him closely enough.
>>
>>While i don't forsee having to get rid of him ever, I can empathise with
>>how hard it would be to know that you had to give him up. All I can do
>>is hope that you can find someone who is able to take him and help him
>>be a happy ig.
>>
>>Erik Olsen
>>dalheim@elnet.com
>>
>>On Wed, 17 Feb 1999 16:12:47 -0500
>>"flesh@world.std.com" wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I have been a lurker on this list on and off for 4 years now. Over that
>period of time I have read the type of message I am about to write once to
>many. I promised myself that I would never have to do it, and I would do
>everything in my power to prevent the situation from occurring in the first
>place. As evidence of this message, I didn't quite make it.
>>>
>>> It is about the baby in my litter of pets, although he is only a baby in
>pecking order now. I share my home with a variety of fish, a 17-year-old
>tarantula, a 6-year-old 7-foot long boa constrictor and a 4-year-old male
>Iguana named Cecil. Cecil is our baby boy. Ever since I brought him home
and
>held him in my hand I have seen our Cecil transformed before our eyes -
from
>an inquisitive but timid juvenile that he was to an aggressive and dominant
>male adult he is now.
>>>
>>> My wife and I have worked with him since we brought him home to be as
>social an animal as he would allow, but looking back on it now, maybe it
>wasn't in the cards from the start. Even as a baby he would much rather run
>and hide than be near us. Whenever he was given free roam, he would almost
>always spend his time hiding somewhere. When he went through his first
>obvious breeding season, he would charge from across the room and bite
>unprovoked. This eventually passed and be became more timid after the
season
>went away. However, he still was a very scared lizard no matter how much we
>worked with him.
>>>
>>> He went into his second breeding season late last June. I remember
>exactly, because he was just starting to trust me enough to sit with me on
>the couch as he sun bathed. Almost over night he turned aggressive to the
>point where we couldn't let him out of his enclosure anymore without being
>constantly aware of where he was. It has only gotten worse since then.
>>>
>>> While we continued to work with him, he continued to be as obnoxious as
>ever. To the point where we could not enter his tank to clean it properly
>until the early hours of the morning when he was asleep. Daytime
interaction
>was spent talking, carefully hand feeding, and occasional cleaning through
>cracks in the enclosure when he would let us near. Last week while cleaning
>his enclosure misjudged how far he was from me and I got bit rather badly.
>It could have been worse if I hadn't seen him coming, but regardless I
>walked away a trip to the ER.
>>>
>>> So here I am doing something I though I would never do. Something I
never
>thought I would be able to do, but I have to. Now I have to give my baby
>away. I have to do it for my wife and new human baby on the way later this
>year. This is the single hardest thing I have ever had to do in my life,
but
>after 4 years of trying to make it work, I think it is time to move on for
>everyone's sake. Cecil included. He can't be very happy in the situation he
>is in, and no matter how much we try it only seems to get worse.
>>>
>>> I needed to get all that out there so that you would know how serious I
>am taking this and how hard this is going to be. My real goal here is to
>reach as many people as possible out there that might be able to help
Cecil.
>All I ask is someplace where he can live out his life as well cared for and
>content as possible. Any leads on shelters or serious potential homes in
the
>Central Massachusetts or New England area would be greatly appreciated.
>>>
>>> I can't stress enough how much I need to know that he is going to be
>taken good care of. I understand that placing an Iguana is hard enough
never
>mind an aggressive male. I also understand that I put him in this position,
>not the other way around. None of this is his fault. He is still my baby
and
>I owe him at least a try.
>>>
>>> Cecil is approximately 4-5 years old. S/V he is about 14 inches and has
a
>full beautiful tail. His legs and belly are almost entirely orange. He
>appears to be in great health, but I admit that he is in dire need of
exerci
>se. Like I explained, because of his behavior I have not been able to free
>roam him often enough.
>>>
>>> I can't explain to you how difficult this is for us. I thank any
>responses in advance. Please respond via direct email. My account where I
>receive the digests is at work, and because of my hand I am home this week.
>>>
>>> Thank you for your time,
>>> -henry
>>>
>>> Henry & Dana Knight
>>> Email: flesh@world.std.com
>>>
>>>
>>> From owner-iguanas@echonyc.com Wed Feb 17 15:29:20 1999
>>
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>>
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