Re: Well Xta my friend ..........

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Posted by jess on August 11, 2001 at 00:00:09:

In Reply to: Well Xta my friend .......... posted by IC on August 10, 2001 at 23:33:53:

: I know that your post to me wasn't mean spirited but before someone else gets the idea to jump me, I want to respond. Please reread the person's posts for the past week or so and then maybe you will get the point I was trying to make. 2 iguanas in their care have already died, one from a ferret attack I believe and the other was attacked by a rat. This person seems to be fairly young and while that is not a disqualifier, the fact is they have just brought home iguana # 3 after numbers one and two have perished in their care. It also seems to me that while they are here to learn -they need to know alot more before actually taking on a real rescue. They also better have a stash of cash put away to care for both of them. Medical care is usually a given for a rescue.

: I will admitt that I am pretty disgusted by things I have seen on this forum and others like it for the past few months. It seems to me that iguanas are dieing in record numbers and everyone and his uncle are going out and buying iguanas under the guise of "rescuing" them. They problem is, most of these people are barley able to care for the one iguana they have properly, what the heck are they going to do with #2. In other words, most times they are only making my job as a legitimate rescuer/shelter harder. Then there is the issue that buying an iguana is not rescueing no matter how you look at it which I will go into detail a little further down in my post. In rescue, money goes to care, food and supplies, not for buying someone else's problem.

: As an example let me use Geo, the ig that came to us a few weeks ago. As a favor to a friend, we drove over 2 hours to go pick up this adult iguana that a lady paid $75.00 for to "rescue" from a pet store. I got the standard horror story, ig being kept in a ferret cage, filthy conditions, bad food, etc. and this iguana was bleeding from the mouth and toes because he kept rubbing his face on the ferret cage. As it turns out -this was only 1/2 the story, 1/2 the truth. So, unknowingly we drive the 2 hours one way to pick up this iguana and his cage.

: We get there, his cage is an old chicken coup that no one bothered to clean the chicken feces off of. It turns out that he has been living in this for a year. His mouth is deformed and you can see bone from where he beats his face against the wire they used for the walls. When we dump the food dish, the food is covered in mold. He is there, sitting in pine shavings and poop, no UV, no heat lamp, no water dish, nothing but a $#@$@#@*()@#*$(@# hot rock and his moldy disgusting food dish! But this woman insists she LOOOOOOOOVES this iguana -she loved him so much that when she "rescued him" (which is what she calls buing him)from the pet shop, supposedly dripping in blood from his face and toes, she never sought medical attention for him, never treated his wounds, never even cleaned them. She picked him up, drove him to her sister's house (because she at the time was in between housing), placed him in the chicken poop infested cage and left. This ig rarely if ever had human contact, never was misted or bathed and from the looks of his food dish rarely fed fresh food. All this from a woman who was horrified that he was raised on "trout food".

: As someone who resuces, I have to say there is a huge difference between rescueing and buying an iguana. Buying an iguana from a pet store or a breeder because they are not keeping it properly is not resuceing, it is supporting their business. Are you going to buy all the iguanas they are mistreating? What about the next batch they buy or breed with the money they made selling the first batch of iguanas to you, are you going to buy them too? Someone thinks they want to rescue? I've 10 perfect examples right here and now of real rescue iguanas -one was left behind on a midnight move, the first time he went to the bathroom here he pooped out the celopahne from a ciggerette pack, three of them were literally left out in the wilds of New England, found on streets and in one case in someone's driveway on death's door so thin you could see every bone in his body, the blind one was being kept in a basement with no UV and only a nighttime heat lamp for light all the time -I could go on. But the point is, if someone feels so inclined to really rescue an iguana, then there are plenty out there who need homes. I love all the iggys here -I weep for them when they are sick, I hand feed them and clean up their poop and cheer when they survive an illness. All of them so grateful to be warm and fed they just have so much affection for us and the other humans who come to visit with them.

: I've scared away my share of people who thought they wanted an iguana or a rescue and to me if telling someone what the requirements that iguana needs to thrive are scares them then they shouldn't have an iguana in the first place. I know that some iguanas in pet stores will die -it's a hard, cold reality that stinks but it's through the death of that pet store iguana that we are hoping the pet shops will open their eyes and see that it isn't profitable to sell them any more.

: I'm sorry but I stand on my position in the original post. Jess shouldn't go get another iguana until he or she (sorry Jess I don't know if you are a he or a she) has had this iguana, which is #3, for atleast a year or two. Based on all the posts I have read from this person, that is the most honest opinion I can give, if that offends someone's sensibilities then so be it. I won't apologize and won't let anyone bully me into it unless they have walked a mile in my shoes as a rescuer.

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i never said i was a rescuer.just got the ig from a lady that fed it bad.lighting ,etc.
and when both of my ig were killed.it was my brothers falt for coming over and leaving the cage open.
and the same with the rats.
i am not young just because igs get killed it is a young persond falt.i did come her to learn.and share.but since my igs were killed that makes me a (KID).i might not even post on this board .because of people jumping on me because of my igs were killed.its not just my falt..i cant beleive you yall are freaking out because yall think i said i said i was a rescuer.i didnt say that.

jess
spike-iguana
---~----~----~----~----~----~----~----~----~----~-
in loving memory of
- buddy #1 -
&
- buddy #2 -

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: : I know that your post to me wasn't mean spirited but before someone else gets the idea to jump me, I want to respond. Please reread the person's posts for the past week or so and then maybe you will get the point I was trying to make. 2 iguanas in their care have already died, one from a ferret attack I believe and the other was attacked by a rat. This person seems to be fairly young and while that is not a disqualifier, the fact is they have just brought home iguana # 3 after numbers one and two have perished in their care. It also seems to me that while they are here to learn -they need to know alot more before actually taking on a real rescue. They also better have a stash of cash put away to care for both of them. Medical care is usually a given for a rescue. : : I will admitt that I am pretty disgusted by things I have seen on this forum and others like it for the past few months. It seems to me that iguanas are dieing in record numbers and everyone and his uncle are going out and buying iguanas under the guise of "rescuing" them. They problem is, most of these people are barley able to care for the one iguana they have properly, what the heck are they going to do with #2. In other words, most times they are only making my job as a legitimate rescuer/shelter harder. Then there is the issue that buying an iguana is not rescueing no matter how you look at it which I will go into detail a little further down in my post. In rescue, money goes to care, food and supplies, not for buying someone else's problem. : : As an example let me use Geo, the ig that came to us a few weeks ago. As a favor to a friend, we drove over 2 hours to go pick up this adult iguana that a lady paid $75.00 for to "rescue" from a pet store. I got the standard horror story, ig being kept in a ferret cage, filthy conditions, bad food, etc. and this iguana was bleeding from the mouth and toes because he kept rubbing his face on the ferret cage. As it turns out -this was only 1/2 the story, 1/2 the truth. So, unknowingly we drive the 2 hours one way to pick up this iguana and his cage. : : We get there, his cage is an old chicken coup that no one bothered to clean the chicken feces off of. It turns out that he has been living in this for a year. His mouth is deformed and you can see bone from where he beats his face against the wire they used for the walls. When we dump the food dish, the food is covered in mold. He is there, sitting in pine shavings and poop, no UV, no heat lamp, no water dish, nothing but a $#@$@#@*()@#*$(@# hot rock and his moldy disgusting food dish! But this woman insists she LOOOOOOOOVES this iguana -she loved him so much that when she "rescued him" (which is what she calls buing him)from the pet shop, supposedly dripping in blood from his face and toes, she never sought medical attention for him, never treated his wounds, never even cleaned them. She picked him up, drove him to her sister's house (because she at the time was in between housing), placed him in the chicken poop infested cage and left. This ig rarely if ever had human contact, never was misted or bathed and from the looks of his food dish rarely fed fresh food. All this from a woman who was horrified that he was raised on "trout food". : : As someone who resuces, I have to say there is a huge difference between rescueing and buying an iguana. Buying an iguana from a pet store or a breeder because they are not keeping it properly is not resuceing, it is supporting their business. Are you going to buy all the iguanas they are mistreating? What about the next batch they buy or breed with the money they made selling the first batch of iguanas to you, are you going to buy them too? Someone thinks they want to rescue? I've 10 perfect examples right here and now of real rescue iguanas -one was left behind on a midnight move, the first time he went to the bathroom here he pooped out the celopahne from a ciggerette pack, three of them were literally left out in the wilds of New England, found on streets and in one case in someone's driveway on death's door so thin you could see every bone in his body, the blind one was being kept in a basement with no UV and only a nighttime heat lamp for light all the time -I could go on. But the point is, if someone feels so inclined to really rescue an iguana, then there are plenty out there who need homes. I love all the iggys here -I weep for them when they are sick, I hand feed them and clean up their poop and cheer when they survive an illness. All of them so grateful to be warm and fed they just have so much affection for us and the other humans who come to visit with them. : : I've scared away my share of people who thought they wanted an iguana or a rescue and to me if telling someone what the requirements that iguana needs to thrive are scares them then they shouldn't have an iguana in the first place. I know that some iguanas in pet stores will die -it's a hard, cold reality that stinks but it's through the death of that pet store iguana that we are hoping the pet shops will open their eyes and see that it isn't profitable to sell them any more. : : I'm sorry but I stand on my position in the original post. Jess shouldn't go get another iguana until he or she (sorry Jess I don't know if you are a he or a she) has had this iguana, which is #3, for atleast a year or two. Based on all the posts I have read from this person, that is the most honest opinion I can give, if that offends someone's sensibilities then so be it. I won't apologize and won't let anyone bully me into it unless they have walked a mile in my shoes as a rescuer. : -------------------------------------------------- : i never said i was a rescuer.just got the ig from a lady that fed it bad.lighting ,etc. : and when both of my ig were killed.it was my brothers falt for coming over and leaving the cage open. : and the same with the rats. : i am not young just because igs get killed it is a young persond falt.i did come her to learn.and share.but since my igs were killed that makes me a (KID).i might not even post on this board .because of people jumping on me because of my igs were killed.its not just my falt..i cant beleive you yall are freaking out because yall think i said i said i was a rescuer.i didnt say that. : : jess : spike-iguana : ---~----~----~----~----~----~----~----~----~----~- : in loving memory of : - buddy #1 - : & : - buddy #2 -

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