Re: Larry IS a good guy and he doesn't claim to breed HLs>>>

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Posted by Lester G. Milroy III on July 10, 2002 at 21:45:54:

In Reply to: Larry IS a good guy and he doesn't claim to breed HLs>>> posted by loren on July 10, 2002 at 00:56:16:

: Traditionally, when imports or freshly collected specimens lay viable eggs that produce babies, those babies are considered to be captive-hatched(or CH). Nowadays, importers and collectors like to increase their sales by claiming their CH babies are CB, frequently using the excuse that 'they were born in captivity'. For this reason, the market has had to adjust and the CB term has become ambigious. CB can mean captive-bred or captive-born, but either could very well just be a CH instead. Breeders have tried using CBB( or captive-bred-&-born), but it hasn't been catching yet. So, labeling is a mess. It's really been apparent in the frilled dragon market this year.
: I breed desert horned lizards but only sell 10-15 babies per year. All of this year's clutches have been spoken for or sold in advance. My babies are captive-bred-&-born. I have pics of desert HLs hatching on my website for any doubters.

: : : : I found www.desertreptiles.com but that is it.

: : : : Matthew

: : : :They are not a source for CB horned lizards. There is no such thing as a CB horned lizard in the pet trade. They are all WC. If they can prove otherwise, have them contact me. Lester G. Milroy III

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: : Lester larry has had babies with his wc hls so woudlnt they be concidered CB? ?? (desertreptiles.com) hes a good guy really never dishonest and very nice..matthew if youre plannin on buying desert HLs go thru him
: : mine had worms and he even sent me deworming capsules !! well, hope this helps..

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:I never said Larry was a bad person. Captive bred means just that, and anything else is false advertising. Captive bred animals are animals that are bred in captivity and do not have the link to wild populations. I captive breed HLs for study. The captive breeding is from HLs that have been out of contact with wild populations for at least 2 years. (I guess 1 year could be a borderline measure, but that is my standard, I guess) If HLs lay eggs the season they are wild captured, that is not CB. The definition needs to be followed. Anything else is deceptive. Lester G. Milroy III

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: : Traditionally, when imports or freshly collected specimens lay viable eggs that produce babies, those babies are considered to be captive-hatched(or CH). Nowadays, importers and collectors like to increase their sales by claiming their CH babies are CB, frequently using the excuse that 'they were born in captivity'. For this reason, the market has had to adjust and the CB term has become ambigious. CB can mean captive-bred or captive-born, but either could very well just be a CH instead. Breeders have tried using CBB( or captive-bred-&-born), but it hasn't been catching yet. So, labeling is a mess. It's really been apparent in the frilled dragon market this year. : : I breed desert horned lizards but only sell 10-15 babies per year. All of this year's clutches have been spoken for or sold in advance. My babies are captive-bred-&-born. I have pics of desert HLs hatching on my website for any doubters. : : : : : : I found www.desertreptiles.com but that is it. : : : : : Matthew : : : : :They are not a source for CB horned lizards. There is no such thing as a CB horned lizard in the pet trade. They are all WC. If they can prove otherwise, have them contact me. Lester G. Milroy III : : : : : : Lester larry has had babies with his wc hls so woudlnt they be concidered CB? ?? (desertreptiles.com) hes a good guy really never dishonest and very nice..matthew if youre plannin on buying desert HLs go thru him : : : mine had worms and he even sent me deworming capsules !! well, hope this helps.. : : : A : :I never said Larry was a bad person. Captive bred means just that, and anything else is false advertising. Captive bred animals are animals that are bred in captivity and do not have the link to wild populations. I captive breed HLs for study. The captive breeding is from HLs that have been out of contact with wild populations for at least 2 years. (I guess 1 year could be a borderline measure, but that is my standard, I guess) If HLs lay eggs the season they are wild captured, that is not CB. The definition needs to be followed. Anything else is deceptive. Lester G. Milroy III

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