I don't know if I'd say "more" accurate.....

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Posted by Marty on June 19, 2002 at 22:17:20:

In Reply to: Kerry's obervation is more accurate........ posted by Jeff on June 08, 2002 at 08:13:24:

Kerry's statement is as accurate as the statement I made. Both are valid and are dependent on the interaction with the Gila.

"all wildlife fears humans-no doubt."

Then why would YOU make the statement that "Gila's show no fear of humans or anything else?"

"Gilas will either scurry off or meander and continue about their own business."

Or a host of other behavours depending on the interaction which is had with that lizard. There is no set rule.

"My observations come after 14 years of co-habitation, 6 years of local wildlife relocation, feedback from the ASU study and openning the local park."

Your observations mean a lot to YOU. To those who know better, WE know enough to take what YOU say with more than a grain of salt. The amount of time YOU claim to have experience with hots and other animals changes depending on who YOU are addressing and what YOU hope to convey. Yeah, I remember YOUR recitation of feedback from one of the on-going ASU studies. If you remember, Jeff, the assertions YOU made in the past were INCORRECT. If YOU were actually getting feedback from any of the researchers engaged in any of the Gila projects YOU certainly weren't listening to what they were telling YOU. Instead, YOU opted to portray the available data in a way that made YOU feel better. Remember, Jeff?

"If wildlife senses no threat it will become cautious and proceed."

Isn't it a little late to qualify YOUR erroneous statement? But, if the wildlife senses no threat, why would it become any more cautious than it normally is before it proceeds?

"When any animal becomes frightened they will defend themselves."

Or flee. Again, the reaction of the animal is dependent upon the situation.

"After studying their overall behavior Kerry is more correct upon gila actions."

YOU would like to believe that for YOUR own reasons. What I depicted is just as accurate.....depending upon the interaction and individual lizard.

"In my opinion in a broad sense gilas are very tolorable of humans and will defend themselves if provoked but characlisticly will walk on by."

Yes, Gilas can be tolerant of humans. But, I will disagree with what YOU call characteristic. If a human is not approaching the lizard and gives it enough room it MAY continue to go about its business. What I would assert is more characteristic is people encroaching too close for the Gilas' comfort and the Gila responding by attempting to flee or becoming defensive.

"Is Marty correct? Half so."

Though I was entirely correct, I rather be only half right than entirely wrong.

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You need to give Jeff his due.... Gerald M. 06/21/02 (0)

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: Kerry's statement is as accurate as the statement I made. Both are valid and are dependent on the interaction with the Gila. : "all wildlife fears humans-no doubt." : Then why would YOU make the statement that "Gila's show no fear of humans or anything else?" : "Gilas will either scurry off or meander and continue about their own business." : Or a host of other behavours depending on the interaction which is had with that lizard. There is no set rule. : "My observations come after 14 years of co-habitation, 6 years of local wildlife relocation, feedback from the ASU study and openning the local park." : Your observations mean a lot to YOU. To those who know better, WE know enough to take what YOU say with more than a grain of salt. The amount of time YOU claim to have experience with hots and other animals changes depending on who YOU are addressing and what YOU hope to convey. Yeah, I remember YOUR recitation of feedback from one of the on-going ASU studies. If you remember, Jeff, the assertions YOU made in the past were INCORRECT. If YOU were actually getting feedback from any of the researchers engaged in any of the Gila projects YOU certainly weren't listening to what they were telling YOU. Instead, YOU opted to portray the available data in a way that made YOU feel better. Remember, Jeff? : "If wildlife senses no threat it will become cautious and proceed." : Isn't it a little late to qualify YOUR erroneous statement? But, if the wildlife senses no threat, why would it become any more cautious than it normally is before it proceeds? : "When any animal becomes frightened they will defend themselves." : Or flee. Again, the reaction of the animal is dependent upon the situation. : "After studying their overall behavior Kerry is more correct upon gila actions." : YOU would like to believe that for YOUR own reasons. What I depicted is just as accurate.....depending upon the interaction and individual lizard. : "In my opinion in a broad sense gilas are very tolorable of humans and will defend themselves if provoked but characlisticly will walk on by." : Yes, Gilas can be tolerant of humans. But, I will disagree with what YOU call characteristic. If a human is not approaching the lizard and gives it enough room it MAY continue to go about its business. What I would assert is more characteristic is people encroaching too close for the Gilas' comfort and the Gila responding by attempting to flee or becoming defensive. : "Is Marty correct? Half so." : Though I was entirely correct, I rather be only half right than entirely wrong.

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