resizing your pictures before you upload them? They're grossly oversized, making for VERY long downloads for the modem crowd. Just a little resizing, like this, and the picture went from 337 kb to 87 kb without losing much quality, if at all. Just a suggestion, and I hope I didn't step on your toes. Those are fantastic box turtles by the way, really makes me wish I had taken more time to explore IL when I lived there!