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Posted by charm_paradise on April 24, 2003 at 20:41:32:

In Reply to: Sorry, but that was not my intent... posted by iwana on April 24, 2003 at 20:04:58:

Hi- You have him housed in a tank, and he need a screen cage! So lets try and work with what you have to provide a better enviroment then he is in now. You need to turn the tank you have now on its side so that you get the hight you need in the cage. If this means you have to cut the top off (canopy) then do it. Replace the glass in the door with screen, you can use what you have now, or get some from a harware store. Then cut one large hole into the sides of the cage and cover them with screen, the holes should be VERY large. You can leave the back, and bottom alone. If the top is open since you removed the top (canopy) you will need to cove it with screen. if there is no frame to place screen, then buy some 1x1 and make a frame! You will then have a screen cage not a tank, will have the height the chameleon needs, and will be able to have a gradient temp and be able to stabilize a humidity. Place a few LIVE non-plants, NOT plastic ones and your vines criss crossing from side to side at the top of the cage for basking. Increase your basking spot so that you get at least 90F. Remove all the green astro turff stuff you have in the tank, and you should see a big change! I know this is a big change from what you have now, but it is need, and the cage might not look as nice as it does now, but your chameleon is in need of a change in his caging. This should not cost much, but will take some time to do, so the weekend is coming and it would be a prefect time to do it.

Everyone on this forum that posts just about everyday, cares deeply about there chameleons and thoes of others. When we see a problem we post to help them out and change or fix the problems. We may come off harsh, but it is only because he care!


:Hi John,

:I'm sorry if I sounded that way, but I was not in the least trying to get people to agree with me! Being a very open-minded person, I was just trying to get a discussion going and I believe that no matter what reptile you keep, that often times, there is no set of rules set in stone as to how to keep a certain species.

:The information we have gotten so far about veiled chameleons came from the breeder that sold ours to us. He has kept his veiled chameleon in the conditions we mentioned (except that he used sand as a substrate) for nearly 10 years and his chameleon has broken longevity records in Canada, so obviously, we listened to him. We are also realizing, however, that the information he gave us was not necessarily complete.

:While we realize that our setup is far from perfect, it is what we have to work with for now. We are trying our very best to provide what is best for our chameleon. Getting him out of his present tank is, unfortunately, a somewhat unrealistic approach right now, since we have nothing else to put him in and nowhere to put this new cage.

:I'm probably going to get thrown out of this forum for saying this, but so far, I'm getting the impression that this forum has a rampant river of ego running through it.

:Just my opinion and, like you, not wanting to be mean or by any means pompous...


::Hi- Well it sounds like you just want to do what you think is best, and are trying to get someone on this forum to agree with you, and your setup. I can tell you this no one here agrees with what you are housing him in. I have a Rainmaker JR. on all 6 of my cages, but I have 6 cages and all are panther chameleons which like high humidity. I think the money spent on the misting system could have been put to better use, buying him a new all screen cage. You say you did a few changes to your tank, and you will not notice a change in one day, if he is still in his tank, you need to get him out of that thing! Also you keep adding plactic plants, but you need live plants more then you need fake plastic plants. The hight of you tank is the problem, because everything else in the tank is effected by it. You ask just about anyone and they will tell you a veild the size of yours needs to be housed in a CAGE at least 24"Lx24"Wx48"H and the bigger the cage the better! The basking temp for a veild chameleon is 90-100F you say it is in the high 80's! Just my thoughts and comments, and I am not trying to be mean!


:::Hi everyone,

:::Thank you to all who responded. I have taken all your input into consideration and have been working hard trying to make Frasier's terrarium more liveable.

:::Right now, giving him a new home is really not an option. We have already put a major dent in our budget getting the Rainmaker misting system along with a bunch of other stuff (changing UV lights and such). Also, the fact that Frasier was seemingly happy in his home before we made the renovations tells me that the available vertical space is not necessarily the problem.

:::So far, I've removed all the substrate (the misting soaked it much more than I anticipated, so it would have indeed led to bacterial and fungidical problems). This seems to have already made a difference in that he moves around a lot more and has resumed feeding and defecating, but his colors are still dark most of the time.

:::We also added a vine that goes across the terrarium. This gives him more climbing material and at the same time shelters him somewhat when he is on his basking area (the leaves help hide him a little, but he can still see everything around him). He seems to like the vine an awful lot, but it hasn't changed the fact that he still displays dark colors most of the time.

:::We had some black nylon screen available so we attached that to the front with velcro, to see if that would make a difference. After an entire day, it seemingly has not because he remains dark colored. So I don't think it was his reflection that was bothering him. I am also sure the dark colors are not from being cold, as his basking area is in the high 80s, so it is definitely a stress reaction.

:::My hunch at this point is that it may be the placement of the plants in the terrarium that is stressing him. Before, his vines were closer to the ground and he had one mass of plants on the ground in one corner, which he liked to hide in to sleep and would go there whenever he wanted his privacy.

:::One time, we brought him to a show and ended up bringing some of his plants with him. When we put him back, we didn't bother putting all his plants back where they were. This caused him to change his sleep pattern; instead of going to his usual corner, he slept on his basking branch for several days. So I think re-arranging all his vines may have had an effect on him. Maybe because the plants are now mostly above him, he feels like he is closer to the ground.

:::We are also pretty sure the dark colors are a direct result of stress while he is in his terrarium, because whenever I take him out, he displays his vivid colors again. As soon as I put him back, he goes back to dark. He also displays bright colors when he hides in his corner behind his plants, but then goes back to dark when he goes on his basking branch.

:::At any rate, we will pick up some more plastic plants this week-end and put them near the floor. We will also add more climbing vines because he seems to really like them. We will then see if that makes a difference.

:::Stay tuned! LOL

:::Julie and Justin


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