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Posted by AdamUrbanczyk on May 10, 2003 at 03:14:39:
In Reply to: Other (pro) Side of the Venomoid Story (kinda long) posted by Larry D. Fishel on May 09, 2003 at 23:59:30:
Nice! a clam response!
:When he says voinomoids are the most dangerous, I assume he means "most dangerous to our hobby," and I think he has more of a point than you realize. Yes, an escaped hot snake is more dangerous than an escaped venomoid, but since I've never heard of a known case of someone being bitten by an escaped hot, that's not much of a difference in the big picture. However, to 99.9% of the poeple outside this group, a cobra is a cobra and an escaped venomoid will bring the wrath of the legislators down just as hard on those of us that have put a lot of time, effort and money into getting our permits. Also note that an esablished breeding population of escaped or released venomoid will be quite capable of popping out dozens of little HOT snakes. (Note the amazing population of burmese pythons in the everglades before you say how unlikely that is.):
---Okay, i agree that an escaped cobra, venomoid or not, would bring down the wrath of any legislator, however I doubt that it would raise much of an eyebrow unless someone was actually bitten - and of course in that case the difference between venomous and venomoid would be obvious. As for a breeding population in the wild, I am not positive but I do not think that sufficient number of venomoid snakes have been released into the wild, much less to the point where they could meet up and have potent little venomous babies (north american monacled cobra sweet! lol j/k)
:-?It would be pretty tempting for some 18 year old punk, wanting to up stage his buddy who took his Albino Python to the Mall, to take his "venomoid" 5 foot Albino Cobra to the park, mall, school or a party to impress his friends.? Again, taking some huge liberties. There?s no doubt someone like this exists, however this person would be the same kid that takes a gun to school - not representative of the population whatsoever and therefore not material to make judgment on, much less a generalization.
---perhaps this came out wrong, I just meant to say that someone who would actually do this would be at the extreme end of idiocy, I guess the kids/guns analogy was not the best :-\
the whole beauty thing, that is obviously subjective. Sure there are loads of gorgeous non-venomous snakes. I guess it just depends on preference. A west African green mamba to me is a herpetological orgasm.
"First off, people DO keep such animals as pets. The difference is that there are NOT nearly identical HARMLESS animals that they could get instead. I'm not a big fan of declawing bit cats for instance, but it's just not possible to work with them safely otherwise. If lions didn't have claws I'd not look favorably on someone who bought a tiger and had it declawed rather than just buying a lion..."
---i see your point, although I don't think that the tiger/lion ratio is proportional to the cobra/ball python ratio. Both lions and tigers are much less suited for domesticated life than almost any animal, however when making a comparison to a totally harmless snake - something many venomous/anti-venomoid seem to do, I donít think it fits well.
:I agree that most snakes don't need thier venom glands in captivity. They don't NEED thier tails or thier eyes for that matter, I don't think that has the tiniest bit of bearing on whether it would be ethical cut thier tails off or have thier eyes surgically removed to make my life easier.Ē
I donít know, I think thatís going a little far.
:While I see your point, I can't help but think that the same logic could be used to justify anything from car theft to child molestation... "People are doing it and you can't stop them all, so why not stop complaining?" :) (Note that like a certain republican senator who will probably go down anyway, I am not making a direct comparison, just pointing out a logical problem.):
again I kinda agree with you, however in this context there is no regulation. Child molestation and car theft etc. are not ethical topics of discussion in society whereas this one apparently is.