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Posted by MiserMike on April 16, 2003 at 13:56:47:
In Reply to: Re: spotted turtles posted by Kanuck on April 16, 2003 at 11:08:04:
[I gotta poke my nose in, if only to show I know what those big words mean.]IMHO, a turtle is not a dog, and their psychological needs are as different as their brain physiology. I question whether a dog or other mammal could/would remain physically healthy in a bathtub. In fact, I wonder if dogs suffer boredom with a lifetime diet of kibble -- yet many resist/reject a brand change. I also have students who eat nacho fries for every lunch of their highschool lives (but then, I'm not sure dogs aren't smarter than some of my students -- Lassie, definitely. Extreme crowding works for commercial rodent breeders because "wild" mice and rats live in tight spaces and explosively increase population to match available food supplies. Snakes (for sure) and turtles (for maybe)don't have much need of mental stimulation and variety.I won't dispute that turtles will make full use of a large and varied enclosure, but I question whether they are inhumanely, unhealthily or unhappily maintained without it. You see, I keep pet oxygen molecules (mostly O2, but a few rare O3s). I used to have them in a pint flask, but since I transferred them to a 55 gallon drum, they move all around inside it, and seem to be under a lot less pressure.
:My oh my, aren't we in a sanctimonious mood today. As I said, I've kept them healthy and happy for over 10 years now in an indoor setup. They are hibernated indoors in a bar fridge as well and have produced viable offspring for the past 4 years. I think that you are anthropomorphising your animals. I applaud your setup, but it is not necessary to go to such extremes to keep them healthy and happy.