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Posted by Justin on November 03, 2001 at 00:09:12:

In Reply to: Re: Evidence posted by brad on November 02, 2001 at 15:59:57:

I have seen little if any proof that oxalics are bad. However many jumped on that bandwagon. The main problem associated with foods such as spinach that are high in oxalics, is that they are also high in iron. Thats where the goiters come from. As far as human consumption, many competent human physicians have informed me that the idea oxalics are bad for human is erroneous. Assuming oxalics are bad what would one consider the high and low ranges. Does anyone know? Oxalics do bind with calcium but not until the body has taken the calcium it needs, then the oxalics bind with the CA and flush it from the system.

I have been able to reverse minor to moderate mbd by offering the animal foods high in oxalic acid. In particular a small leopard tortoise bought by me contained dimples in his shell. The plastron was also quite soft. One of the major components of his diet is now cactus pad, which contain fair levels of oxalic, yet a tremendous calcium to phosphourous ratio, collards see below, and chicory see below.

Many folks feed their torts some lettuce as do I, it has a relatively high oxalic count .33. endive is often fed .11, how bout chicory .21, or collards .45. Kale is only about .02. A leopard tortoise owned by my girlfriends parents is fed the above foods and beet leaves .61, this w.c. tortoise has more than doubled in size in 2 years now weighing in at 10 pounds. He is kept indoors year round and offered the above diet. Shell growth is extremely smooth.

Andy Highfield and Susan Donahue have done some great work in regards to natural diet. But so have others, some of them right here in my hometown.

Justin

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: I have seen little if any proof that oxalics are bad. However many jumped on that bandwagon. The main problem associated with foods such as spinach that are high in oxalics, is that they are also high in iron. Thats where the goiters come from. As far as human consumption, many competent human physicians have informed me that the idea oxalics are bad for human is erroneous. Assuming oxalics are bad what would one consider the high and low ranges. Does anyone know? Oxalics do bind with calcium but not until the body has taken the calcium it needs, then the oxalics bind with the CA and flush it from the system. : I have been able to reverse minor to moderate mbd by offering the animal foods high in oxalic acid. In particular a small leopard tortoise bought by me contained dimples in his shell. The plastron was also quite soft. One of the major components of his diet is now cactus pad, which contain fair levels of oxalic, yet a tremendous calcium to phosphourous ratio, collards see below, and chicory see below. : Many folks feed their torts some lettuce as do I, it has a relatively high oxalic count .33. endive is often fed .11, how bout chicory .21, or collards .45. Kale is only about .02. A leopard tortoise owned by my girlfriends parents is fed the above foods and beet leaves .61, this w.c. tortoise has more than doubled in size in 2 years now weighing in at 10 pounds. He is kept indoors year round and offered the above diet. Shell growth is extremely smooth. : Andy Highfield and Susan Donahue have done some great work in regards to natural diet. But so have others, some of them right here in my hometown. : Justin

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